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cab

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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 04 9:07 am Post subject: Glossary Woes
I just tried to enter 'lime' in the wild food section of the glowwary (referring of course to lime trees, which have useful flowers and leaves). The glossary sulked at me, presumably because 'lime' has already been entered in the gardening section. How can we sort this?

jema
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 04 9:10 am Post subject: Re: Glossary Woes

Cab wrote:

I just tried to enter 'lime' in the wild food section of the glowwary (referring of course to lime trees, which have useful flowers and leaves). The glossary sulked at me, presumably because 'lime' has already been entered in the gardening section.

How can we sort this?

Only by perhaps making it "Lime (trees)" in wild food and "Lime (something else)" in gardening.

jema

cab

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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 04 9:19 am Post subject: Re: Glossary Woes

jema wrote:

Only by perhaps making it "Lime (trees)" in wild food and "Lime (something else)" in gardening.

Would searching the glossary for 'lime' bring both terms up? That might work.

jema
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 04 9:35 am Post subject: Re: Glossary Woes

Cab wrote:

jema wrote:

Only by perhaps making it "Lime (trees)" in wild food and "Lime (something else)" in gardening.

Would searching the glossary for 'lime' bring both terms up? That might work.

It should do, and if it didn't I could soon make it

The alternative of making the term a non unique key in the database, would have loads of ill effects I expect.

jema

tahir

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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 04 9:55 am Post subject:
Searching the glossary looks through the title and text of every entry, shame you can't duplicate titles though

Northern_Lad

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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 04 10:10 am Post subject: Re: Glossary Woes

jema wrote:

The alternative of making the term a non unique key in the database, would have loads of ill effects I expect.

jema

Naughty, bad practice. I make a point of roasting to a crisp anyone I find creating non-unique keys, unless they either give me a very good reason or a huge wodge of cash.

anneka

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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 04 10:11 am Post subject: carl linnaus
You could put - Tillia (Lime) as that is the correct genus for a lime tree but not a citrus lime? Anneka

tahir

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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 04 10:14 am Post subject:
That's anoption, but it'll be incongruous with the rest of the entries, I'll email the developer and see if he's got any suggestions.

tahir

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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 04 10:28 am Post subject: Re: Glossary Woes

jema wrote:

The alternative of making the term a non unique key in the database, would have loads of ill effects I expect.

Why? Surely there must be a record number, or other unique record identification field? The other components allow title duplication, anyway I've sent Sascha an email.

cab

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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 04 10:54 am Post subject:
I'll re-submit later with Lime (tree). I'll have the latin in the entry, as I do for most of the others. I'm putting a couple of things in the wild food glossary most days now.

jema
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 04 11:01 am Post subject: Re: Glossary Woes

tahir wrote:

jema wrote:

The alternative of making the term a non unique key in the database, would have loads of ill effects I expect.

Why? Surely there must be a record number, or other unique record identification field? The other components allow title duplication, anyway I've sent Sascha an email.

It should not have ill effects if it is coded throughout to use the record number, but are you going to make bets on this?

jema

tahir

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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 04 11:02 am Post subject:

Cab wrote:

I'll re-submit later with Lime (tree). I'll have the latin in the entry, as I do for most of the others.

I'm putting a couple of things in the wild food glossary most days now.

Muchly appreciated. Re the latin, should we have a unified approach? I'm doing it like this:

Common name (Genus species, Family)

cab

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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 04 11:05 am Post subject:

We could have a unified approach, but I'm not convinced there's a need. I've been putting a common name in the title, followed by the scientific name Genus species, and then putting an also known as to cover other commonnames (which are also added to the glossary, with 'see other common name'). I'd have thought that as long as we make sure of entering the scientific name somewhere on or near the first line we're fine.

Regarding putting family or suchlike in, that's often a lot less useful for a forager than you might imagine. Depends very much on the plant. It's not very useful to know that a blackberry is rosaceae, but it helps to know that the fruit is composed of individual small berries. It doesn't help in describing a plum to say that it's also rosaceae, but it -is- useful to refer to, say, an alexander as an umbellifer.

Last edited by cab on Wed Dec 15, 04 11:07 am; edited 1 time in total

tahir

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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 04 11:07 am Post subject:
OK, it was just a thought

cab

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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 04 11:08 am Post subject:

tahir wrote:

OK, it was just a thought

I think it's worth making sure that we keep scientific names in there; that's clearly woth ensuring. So much easier then to look up more information.

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