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sgt.colon

Joined: 27 Jul 2009
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 17 12:21 pm Post subject: Mushroom ID please
I know it might be hard to tell but can any one tell me what this might be please? There are about 20 shooting up under a tree at work. Thanks.

Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 17 6:41 am Post subject:
Is there a stem of any sort on it Sgt. Colon?

sgt.colon

Joined: 27 Jul 2009
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Location: Just south of north.

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 17 9:01 am Post subject:
There is and they are getting bigger. I'll get another photo of them later today.

sgt.colon

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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 17 5:48 pm Post subject:
They had all gone by the time I got around to getting another photo, so they must have been edible.

dpack

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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 17 7:07 pm Post subject:

edible to something can be very different to edible twice to humans

some folk recon shroom toxicity isn't defensive as it is often the diners species that matters rather than what usually eats them .
flies and slugs etc have eaten shrooms a lot longer than humans but it is humans who die from em etc .

i have seen very human unfriendly ones eaten by insects, slugs and a couple of times seen a squizzer drying rather nasty ones for us in a tree

there are a few that nothing critter shaped seems to eat but are ok for people.

overall "well something has been eating them" is not a reliable safety test

dpack

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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 17 7:09 pm Post subject:
ps " someone has cut them with a knife so they must be edible " isnt a reliable safety test either

buzzy

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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 17 2:14 pm Post subject:

dpack wrote:

ps " someone has cut them with a knife so they must be edible " isnt a reliable safety test either

Exactly. I have heard of people who collect everything that looks big enough to eat, take them home and show them to an 'expert' and only eat the ones given the OK, and chuck the rest.

Henry

dpack

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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 17 9:15 pm Post subject:

a minibus of unskilled pickers and a choice master at the end of the day is normal practice with the less ethical side of the commercial picking trade

some pickers get paid by weight of edible ones which does encourage learning and some measure of ethics if they stay on.
some are paid by total weight and some by the day ( and are not taken again if they get nowt in the basket first time ) which are messy as both options lead to a huge amount of bycatch.

with a shroom i am not certain about as food or even if i am pretty certain it isn't food but i'm curious as to what it is i will take one or two to identify otherwise it is either half for the pot and half for spores or look and decide not food and leave them be.

trawl everything and sort it later is destructive

on one of my picks half gone would be a good test of edibility unless there are 2 shrooms and 2 stumps

sgt.colon

Joined: 27 Jul 2009
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Location: Just south of north.

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 17 9:00 am Post subject:

dpack wrote:

look and decide not food and leave them be

That's the option I take with all the shrooms I see. I'm far too scared to take the risk.

dpack

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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 17 10:20 am Post subject:

a far better attitude than those who have a book of a 100 edible shrooms and little idea of the subtleties that can be involved in a positive id

that said there are some that are unmistakeable so long as the shape, colour, small, location etc match the description all will be fine.

even within one patch at one time quite a few species will show considerable diversity of colour , shape etc etc .

one of the better ways to start shrooming is learning the food only once species and avoid them individually or if they are part of a group with some edible and some not shun the whole group until you are much more expert.

groups such as tree located ones or the boletes only have a few to avoid, once those are known so a specific id isnt so important for picking the edible sorts.

some groups are difficult, such as the 'cybes, as the differences between dinner and dead or wishing you were dead are very subtle.

sgt.colon

Joined: 27 Jul 2009
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Location: Just south of north.

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 17 10:39 am Post subject:
So are there some that cannot be mixed up with anything else DPack? I know a giant puffball and that's really about all I would risk.

Slim

Joined: 05 Mar 2006
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Location: New England (In the US of A)

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 17 11:15 am Post subject:
chicken of the woods, and morels are other good ones to start with

Mistress Rose

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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 17 5:45 am Post subject:
I understand some people can get bad reactions from chicken of the woods though. About 10% of people get stomach upsets, or so I have read.

NorthernMonkeyGirl

Joined: 10 Apr 2011
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 17 7:14 am Post subject:
I trust myself with jelly ear/wood ear and giant puffball. That's about it!

sgt.colon

Joined: 27 Jul 2009
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Location: Just south of north.

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 17 8:17 am Post subject:
Thanks all. NMG, I've never even heard of those.

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