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Snap Cap

Joined: 16 Apr 2006
Posts: 553
Location: Outside a warren armed to the teeth.

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 06 11:48 am Post subject:

Have to agree with bodger here on the magpie front! They are the chav of the bird kingdom, loud, abusive,violent, well dressed with no job. I will also shoot as many as I can. but they are clever and sneaky, hunting magpies is a diificult task and much experimentation is needed to sus out how to bait them down etc, eggs are the best I have found, those dinner jacketed thugs cannot ressist a broken egg.

I think it would be wise to point out its Pest control and not pest obliteration

Bodger

Joined: 23 May 2006
Posts: 13524

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 06 12:17 pm Post subject:
Hedgewitch You're never too old to learn. As long as you can get your Zimmer frame to stop wobbling then you're on to a winner. If you have any queries about your lurcher, don't hesitate to ask

Silas

Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 6848
Location: Staffordshire

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 06 5:10 pm Post subject:

bodger wrote:

So Silas.

You wouldn't want me to shoot the rat that was nicking your cheese off the kitchen table ?

You wouldn't want me to shoot the grey squirrels that were stripping the bark off your tee plantation that you'd spent hundreds of hours tending ?

You wouldn't want me to shoot the magpie that was slaughtering
the thrush chicks in your hedge that you'd watched go through all the stages just to see them massacred ?

I think that if you think about it, you will agree that pest control is a legitimate reason for bumping something off

Bodge
I hold the RSH in pest control with distinction . I'll have you know!

Pretty cool eh?
I've also got a cycling proficciency and lenght certificate somewhere.

No, there are NO rats on MY kitchen table - thank you very much.

If you must shoot squirrels, then why not eat them?

A magpie does not 'slaughter' thrushes, it has to feed just like anything else, why should a songbird have more significance than a magpie or a sparrow?

Silas

Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 6848
Location: Staffordshire

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 06 5:11 pm Post subject:

Snap Cap wrote:

Rubbish.

It is gratuitous killing for the sake of it.

Silas

Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 6848
Location: Staffordshire

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 06 5:13 pm Post subject:

bodger wrote:

I enjoy making a good shot or using my skills to trap something when doing my pest control. A job well done and all that.
Its not all about enjoyment though' otherwise I'd be shooting blue tits and thrushes and the like.
Its about doing some thing well, that I also consider to be usefull and beneficial.
If a magpie strays to close to me when I have a gun in my hand I shoot it . I also try to keep a Larson trap set for them and for every one I account for I think that I've done my little bit for the survival of the song birds in my area.
I like to think that my approach to what I do is a practical one.
Whilst it might not work for everyone,it works for me !

Larson traps should be made illegal. Every time i see one set, I dismantle it and release the captive magpie.

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 45690
Location: Essex

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 06 5:13 pm Post subject:

Silas wrote:

Rubbish.

It is gratuitous killing for the sake of it.

I visited a Cambs fruit fram yesterday, several pear trees had near enough all of their crop knocked off, lying on the floor, apparently it was crows. I've been told by numerous people now that unless I shoot crows/squirrel/rabbit I've no chance of getting a worthwhile crop of anything. And I've no intention of eating crow or squirrel.

Snap Cap

Joined: 16 Apr 2006
Posts: 553
Location: Outside a warren armed to the teeth.

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 06 5:15 pm Post subject:
Silas, A magpie serves no particular purpose, it does not contibute anything. it takes and gives nothing. If you was to see a magpie and its larger cousin pecking the eyes out of a new born lamb then maybe you will change your opinion. but as far as I am concearned a magpie is vermin and their numbers need to be controlled.

Silas

Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 6848
Location: Staffordshire

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 06 5:16 pm Post subject:
How about a bird scarer.

Silas

Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 6848
Location: Staffordshire

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 06 5:18 pm Post subject:

Snap Cap wrote:

Silas, A magpie serves no particular purpose, it does not contibute anything. it takes and gives nothing. If you was to see a magpie and its larger cousin pecking the eyes out of a new born lamb then maybe you will change your opinion. but as far as I am concearned a magpie is vermin and their numbers need to be controlled.

If that is the best you can do, then I could name a hundred things in nature that 'serve no particular purpose', that does not give me the right to go and kill blue tits or water voles does it?

Snap Cap

Joined: 16 Apr 2006
Posts: 553
Location: Outside a warren armed to the teeth.

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 06 5:18 pm Post subject:
Yep that will work never fails to scare them into another field. Magpies are vermin and thier numbers need to be controlled what part of this do you not understand?

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 45690
Location: Essex

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 06 5:19 pm Post subject:

Silas wrote:

How about a bird scarer.

A bird scarer? Yer 'aving a larf? There's a rookery one field away, 100s if not 1000s of the buggers, and EVERYONE* says how intelligent they are, and that very few deterrence strategies work.

*I've consulted widely, as gratuitous killing doesn't appeal to me even slightly, neither does the idea of people shooting on my land.

Silas

Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 6848
Location: Staffordshire

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 06 5:22 pm Post subject:
OK, how many trees do you have, how many hours a day can you spend standing in your orchard shooting birds? Come on, get real.

Silas

Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 6848
Location: Staffordshire

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 06 5:23 pm Post subject:

Snap Cap wrote:

Yep that will work never fails to scare them into another field.

Magpies are vermin and thier numbers need to be controlled what part of this do you not understand?

Interesting word 'vermin' bit like 'weed' isn't it?

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 45690
Location: Essex

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 06 5:26 pm Post subject:

Silas wrote:

OK, how many trees do you have, how many hours a day can you spend standing in your orchard shooting birds?

Come on, get real.

They're intelligent Silas, that means that if they know there's a likelihood that they're going to get shot then they'll probably go elsewhere.

Went to a walnut grove yesterday too, they shoot squirrels in the morning and evening whilst the nuts are ripening, maybe 100 in a year (over a similar area to mine) and they get bugger all damage. The surrounding area (like mine) has plenty of good squirrel habitat...

Snap Cap

Joined: 16 Apr 2006
Posts: 553
Location: Outside a warren armed to the teeth.

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 06 5:26 pm Post subject:
I dont suppose you have any problem with wiping weeds out though do you.?

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