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Treacodactyl Downsizer Moderator
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chez
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12Bore
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Slim
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*gingerly dipping my toes in to test the water*
Much as Bebo dislikes organized religion, I dislike "bad" science. I try to be respectful to posters and practitioners, but I feel very strongly that it has a negative effect on the credibility of "hippy" "progressive" "downsizer" type folks (like myself), and as such feel that it is important to discuss it. As such, I don't mean to offend, but I hope that I can help inform people regarding the science, or lack thereof.
I started to see things with a more critical eye after hearing a former producer/retailer of Bach's remedies admit quite openly that he had been "scamming" people. Does that mean I think you shouldn't take them? No, it does not. If anything, the very fact that it makes you feel better is reason enough to do it. Will I sit idly by whilst someone espouses all of the benefits that it has, without explaining the mechanism (or even potential damage/toxicity of other products)? No I will not. I think it's unfair for people to be 'sold' on things that may not actually have any efficacy, without at least an acknowledgment that the product/technique hasn't been scientifically verified, as a bit of a disclaimer.
While I feel that I understand wanting to be able to share one's own experiences with different techniques and products, and read others' experiences, it's a fine line between "_____ seemed to have _______ effect on my _______" and "______ is a wonder product! Why doesn't everyone use it! Go out and buy _____ now!"
I think the trick lies in a balance of 'reason' respecting anecdotes and experiences from 'faith' and 'faith' respecting inquiry and critique by means of 'reason'.
I am a 'hippy organic farmer' but I've also studied a lot of the science behind it. As such, I get frustrated talking with folks/friends about biodynamic farming - mostly because I don't feel like my 'scientific' viewpoint is being recognized, because biodynamic effects "can't be quantified by science". While I don't agree with a lot of the biodynamic treatments, I will stand by the assertion that biodynamic farmers are among the best in the world if only for the intense care and attention they pay to their land and crops. |
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chez
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T.G
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chez
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dpack
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