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Hairyloon

Joined: 20 Nov 2008
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Location: Today I are mostly being in Yorkshire.

Posted: Mon Jan 20, 14 1:40 pm Post subject:

Nick wrote:

Turning liquified dinosaurs into something which makes metal tubes fly around the world is a difficult challenge. We're up to it.

There are not actually very many dinosaurs in oil: most of it comes from plankton.

Nick

Joined: 02 Nov 2004
Posts: 34535
Location: Hereford

Posted: Mon Jan 20, 14 1:42 pm Post subject:

Hairyloon wrote:

Nick wrote:

Turning liquified dinosaurs into something which makes metal tubes fly around the world is a difficult challenge. We're up to it.

There are not actually very many dinosaurs in oil: most of it comes from plankton.

My mistake. This makes it much, much easier.

Hairyloon

Joined: 20 Nov 2008
Posts: 15425
Location: Today I are mostly being in Yorkshire.

Posted: Mon Jan 20, 14 1:46 pm Post subject:

Nick wrote:

Hairyloon wrote:

Nick wrote:

Turning liquified dinosaurs into something which makes metal tubes fly around the world is a difficult challenge. We're up to it.

There are not actually very many dinosaurs in oil: most of it comes from plankton.

My mistake. This makes it much, much easier.

I would have said that the challenge is in getting the big metal tubes to fly is the challenge rather than the production of fuel to do it.

The relevant point is that we are up for it. On that, I agree: we are.

Nick

Joined: 02 Nov 2004
Posts: 34535
Location: Hereford

Posted: Mon Jan 20, 14 1:50 pm Post subject:

Hairyloon wrote:

I would have said that the challenge is in getting the big metal tubes to fly is the challenge rather than the production of fuel to do it.

You are John Prescott, and I claim my five pounds.

Piggyphile

Joined: 02 Apr 2009
Posts: 891
Location: Galicia

Posted: Mon Jan 20, 14 1:58 pm Post subject:

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We're up to it.

I don't think we are, most of those in power choose not to see the bigger picture, they just want to line their own nests and big corporations are only interested in profit.

Hard to see how the current society will survive long term without some kind of collapse.

crofter

Joined: 11 Feb 2007
Posts: 2252

Posted: Mon Jan 20, 14 4:17 pm Post subject:

Piggyphile wrote:

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We're up to it.

I don't think so either. I look out the window today and see huge waves, lots of energy, but try to put a wave energy harvesting device out there and it will soon break... the metal tubes sometimes stay on the ground if it is too stormy to fly, but the wave machines will be out there all year. Yes, they can be over-engineered, but then the costs (energy costs) to make them and anchor them get higher. Tides, maybe more potential there, but still a very hostile environment.

Offshore wind? Well...

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(Reuters) - Scottish Power scrapped plans for a huge offshore wind farm on Friday due to tricky ground and wave conditions and the presence of protected sharks, making it the third utility in two weeks to drop a wind project in British waters.

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"The Argyll Array project is not financially viable in the short term," Scottish Power Renewables' head of offshore wind, Jonathan Cole, said in a statement.

Hairyloon

Joined: 20 Nov 2008
Posts: 15425
Location: Today I are mostly being in Yorkshire.

Posted: Mon Jan 20, 14 4:57 pm Post subject:

crofter wrote:

On the other hand, we probably need to be building sea defences anyway...

Quote:

"The Argyll Array project is not financially viable in the short term," Scottish Power Renewables' head of offshore wind, Jonathan Cole, said in a statement.

So we need to find a bunch of people who are prepared to look at it in the longer term...
Or a cheaper way to do it.

crofter

Joined: 11 Feb 2007
Posts: 2252

Posted: Mon Jan 20, 14 11:16 pm Post subject:

Hairyloon wrote:

So we need to find a bunch of people who are prepared to look at it in the longer term...
Or a cheaper way to do it.

Or people will have to pay more for their electricity.

Or, make cheaper electricity out of gas?

Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
Posts: 15966

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 14 8:12 am Post subject:
Or go for burning the gas direct. There are a lot of losses in electricity transmission over long distances. A lot of domestic and industrial processes could and often used to be powered directly by coal or gas, but we went 'high tech' and clean, and started using electricity.

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 46207
Location: yes

Posted: Mon Feb 03, 14 5:33 pm Post subject:
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-MQHvp_l0qP8/UOhzeN0WxuI/AAAAAAAAAEA/cIOkwK0UEbI/s1600/jonah.jpg um so that is what a fracking field can look like from the air and here is one from space https://content.animalnewyork.com/wp-content/uploads/fracking_from_space_nasa.jpg the dark patches are the great lakes in north america guess the pro publicity has got a head start

Ty Gwyn

Joined: 22 Sep 2010
Posts: 4613
Location: Lampeter

Posted: Mon Feb 03, 14 6:47 pm Post subject:
Where in the US is that aerial view from Dpack,it looks quite desolate and away from habitation?

Nick

Joined: 02 Nov 2004
Posts: 34535
Location: Hereford

Posted: Mon Feb 03, 14 6:53 pm Post subject:
That's ok then. As long as no one can see the mess, we can pretend it doesn't matter.

Ty Gwyn

Joined: 22 Sep 2010
Posts: 4613
Location: Lampeter

Posted: Mon Feb 03, 14 7:02 pm Post subject:

Nick wrote:

That's ok then. As long as no one can see the mess, we can pretend it doesn't matter.

I was hinting to the fact its away from habitation,so less potential to polluting locals,as we seem to hear all the time through these US links,

Do you honestly think the residents of suburbia gave a damn about the waste tips in Blaenau Ffestiniog as long as they had a slate roof.

pollyanna

Joined: 03 Nov 2012
Posts: 221

Posted: Mon Feb 03, 14 7:43 pm Post subject:
If you travel in the Welsh Valleys now you would be hard put to tell the industrial history of the area. It is lovely. So many trees, the slag heaps grassed over.

Ty Gwyn

Joined: 22 Sep 2010
Posts: 4613
Location: Lampeter

Posted: Mon Feb 03, 14 9:21 pm Post subject:

pollyanna wrote:

If you travel in the Welsh Valleys now you would be hard put to tell the industrial history of the area.

It is lovely. So many trees, the slag heaps grassed over.

And lovely parks for the unemployed to stroll through,dodging the needles and queue`s outside chemists for the methodine user`s,

Much nicer than them places of work.

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