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Behemoth

Joined: 01 Dec 2004
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Location: Leeds

Posted: Wed May 11, 16 8:26 am Post subject: Drying Cedar Wood and Processing it for use

My mother may have to fell a cedar in her garden. We're on clay, it's close to next door's extension which is subsiding.

She's sentimentally attached to it as my late dad planted it. I was wondering about getting it turned it into a piece of furniture, bench/daybed type thing. It's about 12m tall, 40cm diameter at the base. Nice and straight.

When it's felled what's the best way of drying and processing it for use and approx. how long will it take? Are commercial dryers available and how much do they charge?

Thanks in advance.

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: Essex

Posted: Wed May 11, 16 9:56 am Post subject:

Not many places do kiln drying in the UK anymore, when we chopped our trees for our wooden floor the only firm we could find that'd take on the kiln drying and converting was Woods of Wales. There may be local firms but it'll take some time and legwork to find one. It took me 6 months of trying before I found Woods of Wales, I don't think they'd do it now though as the owner Kenton Jones has been ill and they've reduced the scale of what they do.

I'll ask around, but in the first instance make sure whoever fells it does it as cleanly as possible, the more twisting and turning it does on it's way down the greater the risk of internal splits

Behemoth

Joined: 01 Dec 2004
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Location: Leeds

Posted: Wed May 11, 16 10:13 am Post subject:
Ta. I'm guessing it will gradually be reduced in height rather than felled.

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: Essex

Posted: Wed May 11, 16 11:30 am Post subject:

Gradually reduced in height? That doesn't sound nice, do you mean as part of the felling?

This is someone from UK TreeCare:

"Cedar is one of my favourite timbers for its strong grain structure, colour, stability through the drying process, durability and the way that it acts as an insect repellent (or is that just Cedar of Lebanon?). I would expect even the branches to be ideal for creating garden furniture just as they come off the tree.

I have some beams and fully intend building a timber framed building from them. In that application green beams work well as any twisting as they dry can tighten any loose mortice and tennon joints. see www.cruck.co.uk and https://www.facebook.com/CraftWoods-Cheshire-271752659519758/

I am sure that you will find any number of mobile sawmills local to you but we have a 36" throat, 21 ' bed mobile bandsaw if all else fails."

Slim

Joined: 05 Mar 2006
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Location: New England (In the US of A)

Posted: Wed May 11, 16 1:12 pm Post subject:
Kiln drying shouldn't be necessary for future furniture, but would be necessary for near term furniture. Rough milling and covered drying will get you there eventually. What tree do y'all refer to as cedar over there? Here "white cedar" is Arborvitae (Thuja occidentalis) and "red cedar" is a type of juniper. Neither are true cedars.

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: Essex

Posted: Wed May 11, 16 1:17 pm Post subject:
It's most likely a Cedrus, probably C libanii but could be deodara or atlantica

mousjoos

Joined: 05 Jun 2006
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Location: VERY Sunny SW France

Posted: Wed May 11, 16 2:10 pm Post subject:

If the only option is to air-dry, then the general rule of thumb is "a year for every inch thick" ie if the boards end up 2" thick then 2 years.

If air dried, the butts need to be stacked on a flat level surface, & the "sticks" should be placed between the board at regular intervals & one above the other, thus keeping the boards from warping, bending etc.
A makeshift roof to deflect the rain is fine, & air flow should be as uninterupted as possible.
Once the timber is sufficiently dry, if the boards are to be used for furniture then depending on where the piece will eventually live, they should spend at least 2 seasons in that environment ie in the front, or the dining room etc.,

hope that's clear

Alternatively, look for someone who can kiln it, even if you have to travel....far quicker !

Only place I knew of was just to the north of Ipswich...the name escapes me

mousjoos

Joined: 05 Jun 2006
Posts: 1986
Location: VERY Sunny SW France

Posted: Wed May 11, 16 2:11 pm Post subject:
Witnesham saw mill

Nick

Joined: 02 Nov 2004
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Location: Hereford

Posted: Wed May 11, 16 3:44 pm Post subject:
https://www.grangefarmtimber.com/our-services-1/the-kiln/

Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
Posts: 15988

Posted: Thu May 12, 16 6:39 am Post subject:

If you want to make furniture, make sure that whoever takes the tree down leaves a long section of the trunk in one piece. The usual way with trees in built up areas is to take them apart in short sections; usually only 2-3' long. Those would be useless to mill, so leave at least the trunk long.

If it is not possible to keep a long section intact, think about something else to make, perhaps a carving, or see if a wood turner could do something with it.

Ty Gwyn

Joined: 22 Sep 2010
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Location: Lampeter

Posted: Thu May 12, 16 10:03 am Post subject:
When I`ve seen wooden products here advertised made from Cedar,it states Western Cedar,Thyja Plicata,grown in Columbia,North West.

Behemoth

Joined: 01 Dec 2004
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Location: Leeds

Posted: Thu May 12, 16 11:41 am Post subject:
Not sure what type it is - this is it: https://goo.gl/maps/o8mqnYgtgKT2 It's need to be in approx. 2.4m section to be useful

Behemoth

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Location: Leeds

Posted: Thu May 12, 16 11:43 am Post subject:
Thanks for info so far - anything else appreciated.

vegplot

Joined: 19 Apr 2007
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Location: Bethesda, Gwynedd

Posted: Thu May 12, 16 3:45 pm Post subject:
Have you put your question to a tree surgeon?

Behemoth

Joined: 01 Dec 2004
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Location: Leeds

Posted: Thu May 12, 16 6:55 pm Post subject:
Not got that far yet. Mainly dealing with emotional issues.

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