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Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
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Posted: Sun May 22, 16 5:27 am Post subject:

The Portugese renewable run of several days is really good. Perhaps a bit more encouragement in the UK rather than going for the fracking option?

I don't know what the answer is with milk Rob. I think most people buy British milk as liquid milk, but the others sneak into everything else. I suspect they would even if we left the EU.

Ty Gwyn, we were probably ahead in the pig crate thing because that is what the British population said they wanted-then continued to by pork and bacon from countries that still use crates because it is cheaper.

Rob R

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: York

Posted: Sun May 22, 16 7:46 am Post subject:
The answer, with both pork & milk, is to put equal standards on imports as home produced goods. This is not guaranteed by leaving the EU but the opposite is guaranteed by staying in. Many of the comments in favour of the EU are based upon our current government, a short sighted view for a long term decision.

Hairyloon

Joined: 20 Nov 2008
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Location: Today I are mostly being in Yorkshire.

Posted: Sun May 22, 16 8:45 am Post subject:

Mistress Rose wrote:

The fact some EU countries don't apply the rules as strictly as the UK is not the fault of the EU...

I think it is... unless you mean that we have misinterpreted the rules to make them more strict.
Otherwise, who's fault is it if an organisation does not enforce its rules if not the organisation?

Rob R

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: York

Posted: Sun May 22, 16 10:09 am Post subject:

Hairyloon wrote:

Mistress Rose wrote:

The fact some EU countries don't apply the rules as strictly as the UK is not the fault of the EU...

I think it is... unless you mean that we have misinterpreted the rules to make them more strict.
Otherwise, who's fault is it if an organisation does not enforce its rules if not the organisation?

I took it to mean that we (UK) should lower our standards to match those in the EU. And, of course, where we are lowest it is down to other countries to lower their standards. Not an approach I agree with.

Tavascarow

Joined: 06 Aug 2006
Posts: 8407
Location: South Cornwall

Posted: Sun May 22, 16 5:09 pm Post subject:

Rob R wrote:

The answer, with both pork & milk, is to put equal standards on imports as home produced goods. This is not guaranteed by leaving the EU but the opposite is guaranteed by staying in. Many of the comments in favour of the EU are based upon our current government, a short sighted view for a long term decision.

What I fear for the food sector if we leave is the farther we move from the EU the nearer we move to the USA.
USA food standards are abysmal compared to the EU. Also their levels of industrialisation will mean competition will be harder on the British meat producers.
Fresh milk would probably be safe but beef & pork are very big business over there.
TTIP if it's allowed will cripple mainstream farms & food standards in the shops will plummet IMHO.
& there's more resistance to TTIP in the EU than there is here in the UK.
Both camps, in & out seem to want it.
But as I said earlier "this has nothing to do with a coal free Britain."

Rob R

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: York

Posted: Sun May 22, 16 9:43 pm Post subject:
Which just goes to show that the whole of the EU debate is rooted in gut feelings, not evidence. None of us really know the effect of in or out. But I'm predicting a narrow 'in' win on June 23rd.

Tavascarow

Joined: 06 Aug 2006
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Location: South Cornwall

Posted: Mon May 23, 16 6:54 am Post subject:

Rob R wrote:

Which just goes to show that the whole of the EU debate is rooted in gut feelings, not evidence. None of us really know the effect of in or out. But I'm predicting a narrow 'in' win on June 23rd.

Most of the resistance to TTIP is coming from the Socialist & Green groups within the EU parliament.
Thankfully the EU MEPs are elected proportionally.
We have a first past the post system that means we have Tory MPs sitting that only received a few thousand votes, & one Green MP when the party received over a million votes nationwide.
The UK electoral system isn't designed to represent the electorate but to maintain the status quo.
Keeping the power in the hands of wealthy landowners & big business.
UK democracy is a myth, regardless how you vote.

Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
Posts: 15993

Posted: Mon May 23, 16 6:54 am Post subject:

You are right Tavascarow, this has nothing to do directly with a coal free Britain, but does indirectly.

HL, I mean that the UK tends to embellish the standards, although some countries do let people take a long time to implement new legislation.

Rob, to some extent I think we have to consider the current government. If it were green, forward thinking as far as the environment, animal welfare, human rights and fairness for all were concerned, I think fewer of us would see the EU as a safeguard against government excesses. Yes, we have to look at the long term, but having these things brought into current focus makes us look at relationships between the British people, the British government and the EU in a different light.

In the case of renewable energy, and hence a coal, or gas free Britain, this govenment is trying to go for the fossil fuel option.

Nick

Joined: 02 Nov 2004
Posts: 34535
Location: Hereford

Posted: Mon May 23, 16 7:04 am Post subject:

Rob R wrote:

Which just goes to show that the whole of the EU debate is rooted in gut feelings, not evidence. None of us really know the effect of in or out. But I'm predicting a narrow 'in' win on June 23rd.

You know we're living the reality of the in right now?

Hairyloon

Joined: 20 Nov 2008
Posts: 15425
Location: Today I are mostly being in Yorkshire.

Posted: Mon May 23, 16 7:25 am Post subject:

Nick wrote:

Rob R wrote:

Which just goes to show that the whole of the EU debate is rooted in gut feelings, not evidence. None of us really know the effect of in or out. But I'm predicting a narrow 'in' win on June 23rd.

You know we're living the reality of the in right now?

We are, but we do not know how much of how we are living is related to being in.

Rob R

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 31902
Location: York

Posted: Mon May 23, 16 8:13 am Post subject:

Nick wrote:

Rob R wrote:

Which just goes to show that the whole of the EU debate is rooted in gut feelings, not evidence. None of us really know the effect of in or out. But I'm predicting a narrow 'in' win on June 23rd.

You know we're living the reality of the in right now?

Yep, and it's shit. But for most it's pretty good, hence my prediction.

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