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dpack
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Tavascarow
Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 8407 Location: South Cornwall
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 16 8:21 am Post subject: |
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Maybe it's different in Yorkshire but I've never known anyone to overuse antibiotics in dairying, most are scared stiff of getting any money docked in fines and having the cost of the antibiotics in the first place. The bigger problem with the bigger dairies is staff who mess up and let antibiotic milk go in the tank and not own up to it.
When I talk about wild ruminants that's exactly what I mean - there used to be loads, and now there are few, so the difference has been made up for by cattle. Instead of measuring just the output of modern cattle, we should be measuring the difference between that and methane produced by the former vast herds of ruminants. And measure we should be doing, relying on estimates doesn't account for basic maths and the rule that you can't destroy or create carbon - all emissions come, originally, from fossil reserves, soils or the atmosphere. We just need to ensure that we're taking as little as possible from the former and taking as much as possible from the latter, and putting a bit back into the soil. |
The wild ruminants have also been replaced by the industrial revolution. Not just cattle. All aspects of industry including farming need to make concessions or changes to have a hope of containing carbon.
Farming should get some breaks for food security reasons. But there are many areas that are currently unsustainable, environmentally damaging & in most instances keeps others in profit more than that of the farmers.
I'm not anti farming I'm anti industrial intensive farming.
There's plenty of evidence that my fears are justified.
Antibiotic resistant bugs being one of them. |
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Tavascarow
Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 8407 Location: South Cornwall
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Rob R
Joined: 28 Oct 2004 Posts: 31902 Location: York
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 16 11:53 am Post subject: |
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Tavascarow wrote: |
Rob R wrote: |
Maybe it's different in Yorkshire but I've never known anyone to overuse antibiotics in dairying, most are scared stiff of getting any money docked in fines and having the cost of the antibiotics in the first place. The bigger problem with the bigger dairies is staff who mess up and let antibiotic milk go in the tank and not own up to it.
When I talk about wild ruminants that's exactly what I mean - there used to be loads, and now there are few, so the difference has been made up for by cattle. Instead of measuring just the output of modern cattle, we should be measuring the difference between that and methane produced by the former vast herds of ruminants. And measure we should be doing, relying on estimates doesn't account for basic maths and the rule that you can't destroy or create carbon - all emissions come, originally, from fossil reserves, soils or the atmosphere. We just need to ensure that we're taking as little as possible from the former and taking as much as possible from the latter, and putting a bit back into the soil. |
The wild ruminants have also been replaced by the industrial revolution. Not just cattle. All aspects of industry including farming need to make concessions or changes to have a hope of containing carbon.
Farming should get some breaks for food security reasons. But there are many areas that are currently unsustainable, environmentally damaging & in most instances keeps others in profit more than that of the farmers.
I'm not anti farming I'm anti industrial intensive farming.
There's plenty of evidence that my fears are justified.
Antibiotic resistant bugs being one of them. |
And I'm not against the concept of eating less "meat", providing it isn't to the deteriment of the environment and animals, as the current message is. The Chatham House report is one such example of a dumbed down message because they think the public can't handle the truth (they state that in the report itself). The danger of sending simple messages about complex problems is that the public think the problem is simple.
Simple messages bring about change, but it has to be the right change or all we end up with is less of the intensively-farmed meat rather than less-intensively farmed meat, and more intensively-farmed veg. |
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Tavascarow
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Rob R
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Rob R
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Hairyloon
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Rob R
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dpack
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Rob R
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dpack
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