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Jam Lady

Joined: 28 Dec 2006
Posts: 2573
Location: New Jersey, USA

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 17 8:29 pm Post subject: Beautiful Cattle
Have seen them before, but usually in the distance. Today they were up at the end of their pasture close to the road. So on my way home I pulled in to the driveway and walked along the fence to get some pictures. Lovely group of British White cattle! quietly relaxing in the shade on a summer day Not what I would have expected to see, here in the great Garden State of New Jersey.

gz

Joined: 23 Jan 2009
Posts: 8962
Location: Ayrshire, Scotland

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 17 9:05 pm Post subject:
Good to know there are other herds around, I don't think that there are many of them left

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 46249
Location: yes

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 17 1:01 pm Post subject:
nice looking moos

Shan

Joined: 13 Jan 2009
Posts: 9075
Location: South Wales

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 17 2:10 pm Post subject:
I do love coos.... such pretty eyes..

gregotyn

Joined: 24 Jun 2010
Posts: 2201
Location: Llanfyllin area

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 17 2:11 pm Post subject:
Lovely cattle-quiet breed from what I remember of a herd I went to see at a rare breeds farm in Dorset a long time ago. I didn't get the job, mores the pity.

Ty Gwyn

Joined: 22 Sep 2010
Posts: 4613
Location: Lampeter

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 17 9:18 pm Post subject:
Of the ones I`ve seen in rare breed sales,these cattle in New Jersey are by far better quality.

gregotyn

Joined: 24 Jun 2010
Posts: 2201
Location: Llanfyllin area

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 17 2:37 pm Post subject:
That is right Ty Gwyn, they do look well filled in New Jersey compared to those I saw in UK, I believe in fit not fat but what do I know I'm a pig man!

gythagirl

Joined: 18 Feb 2010
Posts: 1467
Location: Somerset

Posted: Sat Aug 12, 17 7:19 pm Post subject:
They are beautiful! I thought they were White Park Cattle, are they different breeds? Or are they differently named in the US?

Ty Gwyn

Joined: 22 Sep 2010
Posts: 4613
Location: Lampeter

Posted: Sat Aug 12, 17 8:36 pm Post subject:
Different breeds,White Park are horned and a lot older breed,British White are polled,but their black points are similar,could possibly be graded up from an Angus crossing way back giving the polled gene,similar to Murray Grey cattle in Australia.

gythagirl

Joined: 18 Feb 2010
Posts: 1467
Location: Somerset

Posted: Sun Aug 13, 17 7:17 am Post subject:
Thank you

Nick

Joined: 02 Nov 2004
Posts: 34535
Location: Hereford

Posted: Sun Aug 13, 17 7:33 am Post subject:

gythagirl wrote:

They are beautiful! I thought they were White Park Cattle, are they different breeds? Or are they differently named in the US?

I think Chris Reeves had some and there were photos on here. Reevesrarebreeds, maybe? Can't find anything using search. But. Lovely white cattle with dangerous horns up near Stafford or somewhere.

Jam Lady

Joined: 28 Dec 2006
Posts: 2573
Location: New Jersey, USA

Posted: Sun Aug 13, 17 1:10 pm Post subject:
These might be American British White cattle. Not sure of the differences but there is a breed registry with that name. They're described as a calm breed, good mothers, stocky frame, bred for meat but also a mention of good milkers (for calves, maybe?) If I ever stop at the house, knock at the door and ask questions I'll let you know.

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 46249
Location: yes

Posted: Sun Aug 13, 17 9:27 pm Post subject:
chillingham, park and british are all whiteish cattle but they are very different critters (dead, worried at times and relaxing ) the NJ ones look like ace beasts and compare well with the breed club examples from both sides of the pond as below. usa ones to compare with uk ones

Ty Gwyn

Joined: 22 Sep 2010
Posts: 4613
Location: Lampeter

Posted: Sun Aug 13, 17 9:43 pm Post subject:
Chillingham are White Park cattle in Northumberland I believe.

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 46249
Location: yes

Posted: Sun Aug 13, 17 11:37 pm Post subject:

chillingham have been a closed herd since the middle ages,

very very savage.

they have some aurochs anatomy especially in the feet

very very savage

they are managed from a distance with no handling, vet interference etc etc . (cull with buffalo gun from a safe distance is used as a kindness or to get the castle christmas roast )
if you handle one it's chums will shun it and might kill it
the ones that were moved to protect the genetics in case of disaster were "surprised" and woke up in scotland, decided they were all in it together and just got on with life
the herd changes bull every 3 to 5 yrs with the young bull herd doing cow n calf protection and sparring while each waits for the chance to kill the king
a few kings rejoin the young bull group if deposed, some go solitary, some die of wounds ( or are culled kindly)
they are more nimble than their size might suggest and anything closer than about 50m on foot is likely to get one killed unless there is a safe refuge very close , they usually decide to kill you when you are about 30m away, they give little warning.
they go for vehicles closer than about 25 m
sometimes they hide for a surprise

very very savage

i like em , rob and myself were lucky enough to get a personal tour from the head moo keeper who carried a very large pistol, never got out of the rather solid vehicle if he could avoid it and had a realistic view of his charming critters .

very very savage moos

park and brit white are domesticated
chillingham are not domesticated, they are contained by a long boundary wall
but it is their land and they are very very savage

i spose they have proven ideal for deterring intruders around a borders castle

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