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jema
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Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 04 4:07 pm Post subject:

Cab wrote:

Yeah, I'd noticed that the top ten winter forages article was top article. Quite surprising that it's picking up hits so fast. Do you think there's something especially google-able in the title?

I'm thinking on doing a 'Ten things to do with Winter Mushrooms' article next, covering the best ways of using blewits, oyster mushrooms, etc.

The site stats do *not* support this theory. I would have guessed this myself, but it is not the case.

jema

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 45674
Location: Essex

Posted: Sun Dec 12, 04 4:23 pm Post subject:
Good idea for your next new article Cab

jema
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Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 28238
Location: escaped from Swindon

Posted: Fri Dec 17, 04 2:16 pm Post subject:

#	Title	Page Impressions
1	Top Ten Wild Foods to Gather in Winter (2004-12-02 12:15:22)	791
2	Deck on a Hill (2004-10-26 04:07:12)	668
3	Top Ten Easy Mushrooms for the Beginner (2004-11-08 12:45:25)	565
4	First steps in finding out about downsizing (2004-11-05 05:12:11)	514
5	Creating a Store-room (2004-11-14 15:29:09)	473
6	Home wine making (2004-11-05 03:08:27)	459
7	Filing Cabinet Hot/Cold smoker (2004-10-26 05:49:42)	444
8	Chicken Keeping (2004-11-03 05:51:01)	422
9	In praise of the humble allotment (2004-10-26 10:23:26)	342
10	Feeding Chickens (2004-11-09 17:03:31)	281
11	Creating a wood working shop (2004-11-18 11:23:55)	194
12	Small Scale Coppice Production (2004-12-02 10:12:21)	188
13	Personalised Knitting and more (2004-11-02 10:51:12)	180
14	Mooncup Memoirs (2004-12-02 06:08:51)	178
15	Living Memorials (2004-11-15 13:31:50)	170
16	Installing a wood burner (2004-11-22 09:46:34)	167
17	Eggonomics or the maths for keeping chickens (2004-11-23 12:17:25)	167
18	Bread Making (2004-12-01 16:42:37)	153
19	Big small wind power! (2004-11-18 07:24:34)	145
20	Building Your Own Home (2004-12-02 10:00:36)	145
21	Home Education Basics (2004-11-29 10:08:22)	139
22	Sloe Gin and Vodka (2004-11-09 09:12:03)	133
23	River Cottage Meat Book - Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall (2004-11-04 02:29:33)	128
24	Worried? (2004-11-05 10:09:53)	126
25	How to... joint a rabbit (2004-11-09 09:00:13)	125
26	Dustbin or Dinnertable? (2004-10-29 06:40:50)	122
27	Basic Stock Making - - Beef, Chicken, Fish (2004-11-05 06:28:15)	122
28	LETS (Local Exchange Trading System) (2004-12-01 13:24:33)	119
29	Going Organic Isn�t Just About Food (2004-12-09 05:50:41)	118
30	Great Xmas Pressies (2004-11-03 02:07:37)	116
31	The Hydrometer (2004-11-05 15:29:31)	109
32	Basic Guide to Safer Internet Use (2004-11-20 17:19:29)	106
33	Real Christmas Spirit - Charity Fund instead of Christmas Cards (2004-12-03 12:15:37)	106
34	Arkwrights Homebrew (2004-10-26 07:47:43)	99
35	Chicken Concerns, Problems and Ailments (2004-11-28 11:22:19)	97
36	The forum's reputation ethos (2004-10-30 03:58:11)	96
37	Smoking times with portions and a small smoker (2004-10-26 14:18:12)	81
38	Coming soon... (2004-10-28 09:25:30)	79
39	Welcome to downsizer.net (2004-10-25 15:38:32)	76
40	Welcome to our newest site admins (2004-10-26 07:39:02)	71
41	Building your own incubator (2004-12-14 05:14:21)	68
42	Starting out (2004-10-26 11:11:31)	67
43	Downsizer.net forums (2004-10-28 07:51:4	62
44	Looking for editors/contributors (2004-10-25 22:39:54)	52
45	Need a second PC? (2004-11-05 11:10:32)	48
46	Classified ads (2004-10-28 22:55:02)	45
47	Dealing with a stuck ferment (2004-10-26 04:23:05)	43
48	marsjupiter.com web design (2004-10-26 09:35:06)	40
49	Zebra Graphic Design (2004-10-26 11:57:35)	37
50	What do we mean by ethical? (2004-10-27 00:30:37)	34

Amongst the interesting points to note here, is the clear development of the inevitable "popular because their popular" effect. Indicating a degree of people browsing the popular list from the front page.

jema

jema
Downsizer Moderator

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 28238
Location: escaped from Swindon

Posted: Wed Dec 22, 04 5:21 pm Post subject:

#	Title	Page Impressions
1	Top Ten Wild Foods to Gather in Winter (2004-12-02 12:15:22)	914
2	Deck on a Hill (2004-10-26 04:07:12)	741
3	First steps in finding out about downsizing (2004-11-05 05:12:11)	639
4	Top Ten Wild Mushrooms for the Beginner (2004-11-08 12:45:25)	615
5	Home wine making (2004-11-05 03:08:27)	559
6	Creating a Store-room (2004-11-14 15:29:09)	540
7	Chicken Keeping (2004-11-03 05:51:01)	527
8	Filing Cabinet Hot/Cold smoker (2004-10-26 05:49:42)	519
9	In praise of the humble allotment (2004-10-26 10:23:26)	400
10	Feeding Chickens (2004-11-09 17:03:31)	296
11	Small Scale Coppice Production (2004-12-02 10:12:21)	230
12	Creating a wood working shop (2004-11-18 11:23:55)	202
13	Mooncup Memoirs (2004-12-02 06:08:51)	188
14	Personalised Knitting and more (2004-11-02 10:51:12)	181
15	Eggonomics or the maths for keeping chickens (2004-11-23 12:17:25)	181
16	Building Your Own Home (2004-12-02 10:00:36)	180
17	Installing a wood burner (2004-11-22 09:46:34)	178
18	Living Memorials (2004-11-15 13:31:50)	171
19	Bread Making (2004-12-01 16:42:37)	167
20	River Cottage Meat Book - Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall (2004-11-04 02:29:33)	165
21	Going Organic Isn�t Just About Food (2004-12-09 05:50:41)	154
22	Big small wind power! (2004-11-18 07:24:34)	153
23	Home Education Basics (2004-11-29 10:08:22)	149
24	Sloe Gin and Vodka (2004-11-09 09:12:03)	140
25	Worried? (2004-11-05 10:09:53)	131
26	How to... joint a rabbit (2004-11-09 09:00:13)	130
27	LETS (Local Exchange Trading System) (2004-12-01 13:24:33)	129
28	Dustbin or Dinnertable? (2004-10-29 06:40:50)	126
29	Basic Stock Making - - Beef, Chicken, Fish (2004-11-05 06:28:15)	125
30	Real Christmas Spirit - Charity Fund instead of Christmas Cards (2004-12-03 12:15:37)	122
31	Great Xmas Pressies (2004-11-03 02:07:37)	121
32	Basic Guide to Safer Internet Use (2004-11-20 17:19:29)	115
33	Arkwrights Homebrew (2004-10-26 07:47:43)	112
34	The Hydrometer (2004-11-05 15:29:31)	109
35	Chicken Concerns, Problems and Ailments (2004-11-28 11:22:19)	103
36	Keeping Geese�..easy as pie! (2004-12-14 05:24:49)	103
37	Building your own incubator (2004-12-14 05:14:21)	99
38	The forum's reputation ethos (2004-10-30 03:58:11)	97
39	Smoking times with portions and a small smoker (2004-10-26 14:18:12)	85
40	Coming soon... (2004-10-28 09:25:30)	84
41	Welcome to downsizer.net (2004-10-25 15:38:32)	81
42	Welcome to our newest site admins (2004-10-26 07:39:02)	77
43	Starting out (2004-10-26 11:11:31)	73
44	Downsizer.net forums (2004-10-28 07:51:4	64
45	Looking for editors/contributors (2004-10-25 22:39:54)	52
46	Need a second PC? (2004-11-05 11:10:32)	49
47	Classified ads (2004-10-28 22:55:02)	45
48	Dealing with a stuck ferment (2004-10-26 04:23:05)	44
49	marsjupiter.com web design (2004-10-26 09:35:06)	43
50	Zebra Graphic Design (2004-10-26 11:57:35)	41

A few turn ups here!

jema

cab

Joined: 01 Nov 2004
Posts: 32429

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 04 9:52 am Post subject:
Are we going to do this on some kind of seasonal basis? Top ten winter wild foods is so far out ahead, when I do the -spring- wild food article it'll take months before it starts to rate. Do we need to do this on some kind of seasonally adjusted basis? Maybe the top ten thingy should discount hits that are more than three months old? Or am I speaking crap?

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 45674
Location: Essex

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 04 10:06 am Post subject:
I spose Spring foraging would get much better hits in spring (if that's what you're asking)

cab

Joined: 01 Nov 2004
Posts: 32429

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 04 11:03 am Post subject:

tahir wrote:

I spose Spring foraging would get much better hits in spring (if that's what you're asking)

Well, yes, of course it will. But I'm more getting at the problem that we're going to end up with articles that have been there a long time being in the top list merely because they've been there a long time; surely a list of the most popular articles should be a list of what's got the most hits in the previous (x) period of time?

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 45674
Location: Essex

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 04 11:06 am Post subject:
I see what you mean, like most popular this week. I think it's a question of whether we have that data available and how we deal with it. Jema's the man, we'll wait and see what he says.

jema
Downsizer Moderator

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 28238
Location: escaped from Swindon

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 04 1:00 pm Post subject:

I have already Aludded to the fact that I think we are already seeing an "in the top ten because its in the top ten factor".

I hadn't thought about the seasonal issue which is actually quite crucial.

It may be that I need to add a hack that will allow us to scrap "Most Popular" and any automation, and instead have "Editors Choice".

I think human choice is going to be a lot better in the long run.

jema

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 45674
Location: Essex

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 04 1:03 pm Post subject:
But can't we have the last 7 days top picks or something?

jema
Downsizer Moderator

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 28238
Location: escaped from Swindon

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 04 1:05 pm Post subject:

tahir wrote:

But can't we have the last 7 days top picks or something?

Well the last 7 days would be a repat of the front page to a large degree.

Is "Most Popular" that important on the front page?

jema

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 45674
Location: Essex

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 04 1:08 pm Post subject:

jema wrote:

Is "Most Popular" that important on the front page?

Dunno, but how are we going to index the articles, there's quite a lot in the pipeline.

jema
Downsizer Moderator

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 28238
Location: escaped from Swindon

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 04 1:14 pm Post subject:

Not sure I see the problem?

We could actually have a page dedicated to most popular of all time. That is not a problem.

New articles would continue to get front page space.

The Editor would once a week or so, rearrange the "Editors Picks" which would replace Most Popular.

The Forum would continue to show "Latest Articles".

We would help the editor by taking a snapshot once a week of the figures and hence if a picked article showed poorly the following week it would be a good candiadate for dropping etc.

jema

cab

Joined: 01 Nov 2004
Posts: 32429

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 04 1:20 pm Post subject:
That's one way. Isn't there a simple mechanism by which total hits could be replaced by, say, hits per month? So that an articles total hits is divided by how long it's been there to give it a score? Or is that a bugger to do?

jema
Downsizer Moderator

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 28238
Location: escaped from Swindon

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 04 1:23 pm Post subject:

Cab wrote:

That's one way. Isn't there a simple mechanism by which total hits could be replaced by, say, hits per month? So that an articles total hits is divided by how long it's been there to give it a score?

Or is that a bugger to do?

I am sure I could do this, and if this is the consensus I will get it done. But that in of itself would not solve the seasonailty issue which is quite important to the forum.

jema

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