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bernie-woman

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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 05 4:41 pm Post subject: integrated and non-integrated appliances
I am astonished at the difference in price of these. Looking at ï¿½300+ difference for an integrated dishwasher and ï¿½130+ for a fridge there is probably a really simple answer to this which I cannot see - but why such a difference?

Jonnyboy

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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 05 4:51 pm Post subject:
I would guess at, lower sales volumes, and they are bought for primarily ergonomic reasons so can command a premium. They may be more technically complex as it's fitted into a smaller space.

bernie-woman

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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 05 5:30 pm Post subject:

Jonnyboy wrote:

I would guess at, lower sales volumes, and they are bought for primarily ergonomic reasons so can command a premium. They may be more technically complex as it's fitted into a smaller space.

I thought the only differenec as far as i could see is that you have a front panel to match the kitchen of your choice - I didn't rrealise that they would be any larger or smaller

I will have to investigate more

ele

Joined: 05 Sep 2005
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 05 5:32 pm Post subject:
integrated fridges are narrower than standard upright ones, dishwashers are about the same. I'm not a fan of integrated appliances (except eye level ovens) cos when they go wrong they're a major pain to get fixed/replaced.

Jonnyboy

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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 05 5:33 pm Post subject:
They will be generally smaller as they have to integrate within the carcass of the unit, rather than replacing a standard 600mm carcass.

bernie-woman

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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 05 5:38 pm Post subject:

ele wrote:

integrated fridges are narrower than standard upright ones, dishwashers are about the same.

I'm not a fan of integrated appliances (except eye level ovens) cos when they go wrong they're a major pain to get fixed/replaced.

That is exactly what my mum said - she has had a nightmare with fixing her dishwasher

Looks like non-integrated for me then

tawny owl

Joined: 29 Apr 2005
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Location: Hampshire

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 05 5:52 pm Post subject:

ele wrote:

I'm not a fan of integrated appliances (except eye level ovens) cos when they go wrong they're a major pain to get fixed/replaced.

Or even to get at them if there's a leak at the back. Total pain - had them once; never again! I personally wouldn't have an eye-level oven either, having seen the results of a dish of hot meat and fat spilled over the person in front of said oven - bending down might be a pain, but at least if the dish goes, the worst that'll happen is burnt feet, not neck, chest, stomach, legs ...

If you like the look of a fully integrated kitchen, then put the ordinary ones behind doors. You'll need to buy an extra-deep worktop (like they use for breakfast bars), and you'll need to allow a bit more space either side of the machine (so typically a 700mm space), then just add the side-pieces and hang the doors (one 300mm and one 400mm door). If you've got more than one machine (say a T/D and a W/M), the two should fit into a space 1300mm wide, and you can then have two doors - one 600mm wide, and the other made up of the 300 and 400mm doors attached by flat brackets at the back. Works really well, reduces the noise from the machines, and looks much neater than having integrated appliances.

wellington womble

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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 05 6:12 pm Post subject:

The dishwasher's OK (much quieter, but that could be because its a newer dishwasher than the old one) but the oven is teensy compared to the one before - its real pain to be constantly shuffling shelves around (you can only fit a casserole in it at a time) I hate eye level ovens (its defintitely someone elses eye level for a start!) but I would rather have burnt almost anything than burnt feet - they don't heal very easily (no pun intended)

I wouldn't have them again, purely because of the size. Why do fitted kitchens have such an enormous GAP at the bottom - I could really use that space!

nettie

Joined: 02 Dec 2004
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Location: Suffolk

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 05 6:17 pm Post subject:
I'm glad you've started this thread - I'm having my kitchen done up this year and was considering an integrated cooker but I shall give it a miss now. Thanks

Treacodactyl
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 05 6:35 pm Post subject:

As Tawny owl hooted earlier, integrated appliances are less deep. If you stick a freestanding appliance under a normal worktop it sticks out.

I've done what the wise owl said, I've managed to make a 70mm deep worktop with two sections underneath with room to slide in a dishwasher and washing machine in either side of the sink. Doors can then go over the front, when I get around to buying doors for the kitchen that is.

Bernie66

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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 05 8:08 pm Post subject:

nettie wrote:

I'm glad you've started this thread - I'm having my kitchen done up this year and was considering an integrated cooker but I shall give it a miss now. Thanks

And if you are moving or thinking of moving, freestanding get the vote over integrated (not that they ever fit into the new house)

tawny owl

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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 05 10:34 pm Post subject:

Treacodactyl wrote:

As Tawny owl hooted earlier,

Deeper worktop is better for small appliances on top too, as you can shove them right at the back and still have lots of workspace.

nettie

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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 05 10:36 pm Post subject:

Bernie66 wrote:

nettie wrote:

I'm glad you've started this thread - I'm having my kitchen done up this year and was considering an integrated cooker but I shall give it a miss now. Thanks

And if you are moving or thinking of moving, freestanding get the vote over integrated (not that they ever fit into the new house)

Wouldn't that affect the overall value of the property?

thos

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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 05 1:58 pm Post subject:

nettie wrote:

Wouldn't that affect the overall value of the property?

Only if you're gay, and probably not even then. Women always want a new kitchen and bathroom in their new house.

Sarah D

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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 05 2:03 pm Post subject:

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