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tawny owl

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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 05 10:34 pm Post subject:

Treacodactyl wrote:

As Tawny owl hooted earlier,

Deeper worktop is better for small appliances on top too, as you can shove them right at the back and still have lots of workspace.

nettie

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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 05 10:36 pm Post subject:

Bernie66 wrote:

nettie wrote:

I'm glad you've started this thread - I'm having my kitchen done up this year and was considering an integrated cooker but I shall give it a miss now. Thanks

And if you are moving or thinking of moving, freestanding get the vote over integrated (not that they ever fit into the new house)

Wouldn't that affect the overall value of the property?

thos

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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 05 1:58 pm Post subject:

nettie wrote:

Wouldn't that affect the overall value of the property?

Only if you're gay, and probably not even then. Women always want a new kitchen and bathroom in their new house.

Sarah D

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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 05 2:03 pm Post subject:

judith

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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 05 2:06 pm Post subject:

thos wrote:

Women always want a new kitchen and bathroom in their new house.

Was about to get all upset, when I remembered that we have redone the bathroom in every house we've owned

Couldn't afford to do the kitchens

Jonnyboy

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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 05 2:10 pm Post subject:
I chose the kitchen layout for our house! (although I suspect 'she who must be obeyed' played me like a fish)

dougal

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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 05 2:58 pm Post subject:

Its a truism that houses sell more easily with a smart ready-to-use kitchen.
Whether one can add more than the cost of the kitchen, is an entirely different question.

In much of the foregoing discussion there is a bit of confusion over the word "integrated". It is being interpreted by some folks as just meaning "built-in".
I believe the original question was as to the different pricing between built-in and integrated units.
There is *no* difference in width between *under_worktop* built-in and integrated units. Both will be a very few mm under the equivalent standard unit sizes.
(However "tall" items - not under-worktop - do have to sacrifice a couple of cm to allow for the width of the carcass to support the cupboards above and/or below.)

Built-in units should not stick out from under the worktop. And "integrated" ones should continue the line of the cupboard fronts.
You can even find some appliances to fit under the shallower 500mm deep worktop.
There are *very* few appliances made more than 600mm deep. (One is the excellent LG direct drive washing machine series.)
But "integrated" appliances do lose a whisker of useful depth - to allow for the decor panel and its mountings. This might just mean a different door on a fridge or freezer, but it may involve more extensive re-engineering for a washing machine.

The higher selling price is partly the marketing of a more "up market" product, and partly reflects a higher cost base and lower production volumes.

Treacodactyl
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 05 7:10 pm Post subject:
I read integrated as meaning anything that is designed to be either built in or covered. Non-built in I regard as a stand alone fridge or washing maching which are deeper than 600mm but far cheaper.

dougal

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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 05 8:32 pm Post subject:

Treacodactyl wrote:

I read integrated as meaning anything that is designed to be either built in or covered.

Ah - but if you are buying appliances, when the manufacturers, salespeople and planners talk about "integrated", what they mean is 'designed to take a decor panel so as to look like any other unit'.
And when they talk about "built-in" they mean that the appliance's front panel is not covered, but that it is sized for use with standardised units, and in the case of 'tall' items, that it likely needs a housing.

Trade jargon...

tawny owl

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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 05 10:14 pm Post subject:

dougal wrote:

Ah - but if you are buying appliances, when the manufacturers, salespeople and planners talk about "integrated", what they mean is 'designed to take a decor panel so as to look like any other unit'.

Except it never does, of course, because you can still see all the controls.

dougal

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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 05 11:24 pm Post subject:

tawny owl wrote:

dougal wrote:

Ah - but if you are buying appliances, when the manufacturers, salespeople and planners talk about "integrated", what they mean is 'designed to take a decor panel so as to look like any other unit'.

Except it never does, of course, because you can still see all the controls.

Never? While you are quite right about dishwashers, fridges and freezers are rarely revealed by anything other than their "plinth" and any vents there may be in it...
(I have a feeling I've seen an integrated dishwasher {de Dietrich?} with carefully concealed controls... )

EDIT: Yay!

Jonnyboy

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 05 10:07 am Post subject:

tawny owl wrote:

Except it never does, of course, because you can still see all the controls.

If you look at my kitchen pics in the other thread, the door to the left of the sink conceals a dishwasher, not a control in sight.

alison
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 05 10:42 am Post subject:
My mums dishwasher has the controls on the top edge of the door, and can only be seen when the dorr is open. Otherwise it looks like a regular cupboard.

Naomi

Joined: 26 Mar 2005
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 05 2:40 pm Post subject:
I don't have a dishwasher . But our fridge is housed in a home made cupboard that matched our kitchen furniture. We made sure it had good ventilation.It seems to do the job of consealing it well ,as visitors can never find it!

ele

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Location: Derby

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 05 4:17 pm Post subject:
My dishwasher has concealed controls on the top edge and it's not even integrated... just to confuse you all

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