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Marionb

Joined: 27 Aug 2006
Posts: 5267
Location: Mid-Wales

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 15 1:31 pm Post subject: Single Farm Payment
Does anyone on here know anything about this? I'm wondering if a farmer retires, and rents his land out, is he still eligible for SFP? I've had a quick look at the regs and the first one says he has to be actively engaged in agriculture (or words to that effect). Does the fact he no longer farms the land himself mean that he can no longer claim the payment?

Rob R

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 31902
Location: York

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 15 1:40 pm Post subject:

The SFP is being replaced next year by the Basic Payment Scheme, so at the moment under SFP the landowner can rent out land and claim the sub providing the land is being farmed. They are tightening up on this, as I understand it, in BPS, but as far as I'm aware the landlord can still do that but the land must be actively farmed by someoneth

ETA - that's for England, I can't be sure that it is being applied the same in Wales & Scotland.

And I haven't studied the new scheme in any great detail.

RichardW

Joined: 24 Aug 2006
Posts: 8443
Location: Llyn Peninsular North Wales

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 15 2:14 pm Post subject:
If they stop the claim when rented out & the renter has to claim then the rental value will just go up to balance it.

Rob R

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: York

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 15 2:42 pm Post subject:

RichardW wrote:

If they stop the claim when rented out & the renter has to claim then the rental value will just go up to balance it.

Exactly, which makes it all rather pointless.

Marionb

Joined: 27 Aug 2006
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Location: Mid-Wales

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 15 3:04 pm Post subject:

That's great - thanks. On a slightly different note, I have 5 sheep which up until now have been in my dads name. I now want them in my own name as I am now solely responsible for them. I have been told that I can probably have dads flock / herd number transferred to my name as he will no longer be keeping sheep and I only live a mile away. This will save him wasting the tags he has left, and save me buying new ones! How should I go about applying for this transfer, do you know?

Nick

Joined: 02 Nov 2004
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Location: Hereford

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 15 3:57 pm Post subject:
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Marionb

Joined: 27 Aug 2006
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Location: Mid-Wales

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 15 4:36 pm Post subject:

Nick wrote:

0345 603 7777

Nick, do you have a website address / email address?

I cant phone up as I am hearing impaired

Nick

Joined: 02 Nov 2004
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Location: Hereford

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 15 5:34 pm Post subject:

Marionb wrote:

Nick wrote:

0345 603 7777

Nick, do you have a website address / email address?

I cant phone up as I am hearing impaired

https://www.gov.uk/sheep-and-goats-identification-registration-and-movement

Cathryn

Joined: 16 Jul 2005
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Location: Ceredigion

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 15 7:19 pm Post subject:
Marion, as we understand it, from next year the claimant has to be the active farmer of that land. (I know it's kind of what you both were saying)

Marionb

Joined: 27 Aug 2006
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Location: Mid-Wales

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 15 7:48 pm Post subject:

Cathryn wrote:

Marion, as we understand it, from next year the claimant has to be the active farmer of that land. (I know it's kind of what you both were saying)

I take it you mean 2015? I guess the farmer would just, as Richard says, have to put his rent up to cover it....

Treacodactyl
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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 15 9:22 pm Post subject:

Marionb wrote:

Nick wrote:

0345 603 7777

Nick, do you have a website address / email address?

I cant phone up as I am hearing impaired

The RPA email address is: [email protected]

From: https://www.gov.uk/register-land-on-the-rural-land-register

Marionb

Joined: 27 Aug 2006
Posts: 5267
Location: Mid-Wales

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 15 10:18 pm Post subject:

Treacodactyl wrote:

Marionb wrote:

Nick wrote:

0345 603 7777

Nick, do you have a website address / email address?

I cant phone up as I am hearing impaired

The RPA email address is: [email protected]

From: https://www.gov.uk/register-land-on-the-rural-land-register

Thank you - and also to Nick for his link

Rob R

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 31902
Location: York

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 15 11:02 pm Post subject: Re: Single Farm Payment

Marionb wrote:

Does anyone on here know anything about this?

I'm wondering if a farmer retires, and rents his land out, is he still eligible for SFP? I've had a quick look at the regs and the first one says he has to be actively engaged in agriculture (or words to that effect). Does the fact he no longer farms the land himself mean that he can no longer claim the payment?

OK, I've looked it up to clarify and, as I suspected, not much has changed. If the land is let under a farm business tenancy, where the tenant has sole control over the agricultural activity on the land, the subsidy can only be claimed by the tenant. However, if the owner retains control of the agricultural activity on the land (eg, short term gazing lets or share-farming agreements that dictate what the 'tenant' may do on the land) the owner may retain the right to claim.

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