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tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 16 4:14 pm Post subject:
Been trying to upgrade a win 7 pc to win 10 for a week now, it fails because it can't download updates. Tried every fix I can find on the internet, no joy

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: Essex

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 16 4:37 pm Post subject:
In fact I may just nuke it and install Linux. Which one though?

jema
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 16 4:39 pm Post subject:
I have fallen out of love with Ubuntu, I think it lost its way with the Unity Desktop. Mint seems to get good reviews.

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 16 4:51 pm Post subject:
Just saw a review of that. Will try it, thanks

gz

Joined: 23 Jan 2009
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Location: Ayrshire, Scotland

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 16 5:23 pm Post subject:

jema wrote:

I have fallen out of love with Ubuntu, I think it lost its way with the Unity Desktop.
Mint seems to get good reviews.

I was initiallly on mint, sons moved me to studio. very happy with both

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 46217
Location: yes

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 16 11:49 pm Post subject:

mint is quite instinctive and seems stable

after about 6 hrs i retrieved access to a data base i needed (and face book which i loath but need for the orchard thing) and changed the passwords to something i can remember so as i can use them on this

all i need to do now is transfer 4 massive data files to here which might need quite a bit of work to make sure all the file names are ok to burn or drop box and the lappy is then only needed for photoshop if im being very technical with a photo and as a back up store of data and photos.

i was quite pleased when i discovered that vista was being quietly allowed to fall by the wayside and as the machine is ten years old and showing it mechanically an easy retirement seems fitting.

i have enough parts to keep the steampunk server or derivitive going for a long time so i dont think microsoft will get any more trade from me.when i get round to it im going to linux an even older lappy as a portable pooter (and then when i get round to more tinkering do the portable linux etc from a memory stick so all i need is a tiny dongle and a usb port attached to the web in some fashion via a pooter of some sort and a secure cloud storage box for any data i might need on the go.) .phones can do most of the things i might want on the move but they are even worse than microsoft products in all the important ways.well the ones i could afford seem to be

vegplot

Joined: 19 Apr 2007
Posts: 21301
Location: Bethesda, Gwynedd

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 16 5:49 am Post subject:

jema wrote:

Not a lot can be said really, you are already in the Linux camp.
Any time I am forced to use windows, I get the same thing, its slow insecure and immensely aggravating.
It is such a shame that the Linux desktop has not managed to make the final effort to simplify and remove the remaining hurdles to making Linux totally easy.

https://thehackernews.com/2015/02/vulnerable-operating-system.html

vegplot

Joined: 19 Apr 2007
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Location: Bethesda, Gwynedd

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 16 5:53 am Post subject: Re: grrrr microsoft rant

dpack wrote:

i am trying to get my lappy going again after a few months "rest" and me using linux for all the usual stuff.
the contrast is considerable.

with the lappy so far:

2 starts and a restart to get it to talk to the wifi again(new router so i cant entirely blame bill for that)

one restart:
to get it to update avast which it is doing at the mo

im now trying to stop it doing a back up while i update the os,it's security patches defender etc (ah ha sorted for the mo) and to stop it trying to update the ms stuff til avast is sorted

once avast has updated i will need to patch and update the os and restart it again

then i might be able to access a couple my data bases,my colleagues data base and a couple of passwords i need to transfer a load of data to where i can use it a small bit at a time

compared to linux which is fast ,hardware requirement light,secure,easy to update when i want to rather than every time i turn the machine on,etc etc a microsoft os and all the bits it requires to be safely usable is messy.

spose at least it hasn�t updated itself to 10 and trashed the machines usability like just happened to sil

hey ho a restart to install the avast updates now. i wonder what will be next in line ,recon it might actually be the microsoft stuff

no it is now trying to connect to yahoo/chrome which i never use and skype dropbox which i do but prefer to activate when i want them

sorted

avast is now up and running for rtp but suggests a scan which seems sensible as the thing seems to have called everything it knows to try to update itself .

run smart scan.

a bit over an hour so far to get to starting a scan ,to be continued.....

Why is this a Microsoft rant? The problem, from your description, appears to be an Avast issue.

As for secure please see link I posted is response to Jema's post.

vegplot

Joined: 19 Apr 2007
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Location: Bethesda, Gwynedd

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 16 5:56 am Post subject:

tahir wrote:

Been trying to upgrade a win 7 pc to win 10 for a week now, it fails because it can't download updates. Tried every fix I can find on the internet, no joy

I've recently upgraded 3 machines from 7 to 10, which statistically speaking is insignificant, none of exhibited this trait and all have updated very smoothly. The last two were a couple of Dells that are about 6 years old.

I'm sorry I can't offer any help on your problem but it does appear to be an odd one.

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: Essex

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 16 6:16 am Post subject:
I've upgraded several, this is the only one with issues

jema
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 16 6:39 am Post subject:
The shellshock exploit was nasty, and I don't think anyone should be complacent about Linux, but I think user experience tells a different story about which OS has most problems for users. Finding real linux desktop malware is still like finding rocking horse shit in my experience. https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/52149/how-big-is-the-threat-of-desktop-linux-malware

Nick

Joined: 02 Nov 2004
Posts: 34535
Location: Hereford

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 16 11:24 am Post subject: Re: grrrr microsoft rant

vegplot wrote:

dpack wrote:

hey ho a restart to install the avast updates now. i wonder what will be next in line ,recon it might actually be the microsoft stuff

no it is now trying to connect to yahoo/chrome which i never use and skype dropbox which i do but prefer to activate when i want them

Why is this a Microsoft rant? The problem, from your description, appears to be an Avast issue.

As for secure please see link I posted is response to Jema's post.

Haters gonna hate.

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 46217
Location: yes

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 16 12:23 pm Post subject:

an effective linux malware could make one very rich or crash the web (or sections of it) however the main problems for malware authors are built into the structure of linux,the issue of host availability for creating a bot net or whatever and that many attacks can easily be blocked by built in browser features or reliable add ons built to counter specific known problems (many of which are vulnerabilities in the thing one is using rather than the os of your machine or browser such as phishing attacks via facebook pages which can be blocked with a background add on).
ad and script blockers prevent many unpleasant things as a by bonus of their original purpose.

there is no such thing as 100% security and if one is running a bank,the dod email system or whatever security coding and interface controls specific to your system is a very good idea .
for a desk top domestic/sme system some basic add ons , using the firewalls as appropriate,script blocking and common sense regarding file transfers,running dubious stuff via wine and so forth seems in practice to have been very secure.

basic preparation and care should protect against everything apart from a very professional targeted attack and even those can be made very difficult.

many of the vulnerabilities of linux systems are spotted fairly quickly by white hat linux folk and the updates address these before the general malware community exploit them.

to put it simply linux is a crocodile compared to microsoft being an immune suppressed morbidly obese rat

Hairyloon

Joined: 20 Nov 2008
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Location: Today I are mostly being in Yorkshire.

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 16 5:15 pm Post subject:

jema wrote:

Mint seems to get good reviews.

I use Mint. No real complaints.

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 46217
Location: yes

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 16 6:02 pm Post subject:

mint is fine.

im into file transfers at the mo which seems to be working with the odd extra shove and poke to get them tidyish so as they will go from lappy desktop to the linux dropbox .

tis a good opertunity to cull and replace corrupted ones and once they are on linux desktop sort them into a more sensible structure rather than the mess they are in .think bull in a library and that describes my filing system

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