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Hairyloon

Joined: 20 Nov 2008
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Location: Today I are mostly being in Yorkshire.

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 17 12:09 am Post subject:

jema wrote:

I'm not veggie or vegan, but recognize that whatever I think of those views, a lot of people see it as a core part of "sustainable and ethical"...

Well they are wrong.
It may contribute, but it is a long way from being core...

Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
Posts: 16004

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 17 5:52 am Post subject:
What is wrong with a thread within Recipes? We have a long one in the Grow your own section so no reason why it can't go the same way.

jema
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Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: escaped from Swindon

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 17 6:51 am Post subject:
Because whether you agree with it or not, vegan/veggie etc is not about recipes, it is a considered viewpoint.

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 17 3:08 pm Post subject:
i have no strong feelings either way regarding a separate vegan/veggie thread but fail to see why any of the relevant aspects do not fit into existing topic categories.

1000seeds

Joined: 21 Aug 2011
Posts: 76
Location: Garden of England

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 17 5:46 pm Post subject:

Hi all, and thanks for the correction about jammie dodgers nick.

My 'title' as such said "food related". I definitely want to keep away from the politiical and ethical side of it - there are many other avenues on this forum to discuss it. This would merely be food you can eat, as a vegetarian or vegan. There may be the odd comment, is lettuce vegan or vegetarian; that's fine!

I think everyone knows what is meant, someone mentioned cheese, for example. I think a section on these, or even sub topics within the main one is worthwhile. Especially for someone like me just beginning. Not just the vegan processed foods i mentioned we are already unknowingly in many cases, eating; but making from scratch, using alternatives. It doesn't detract from meat or dairy eaters. It's an addition. Stand alone or sub topic.

jema
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Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 17 6:09 pm Post subject:

Downsizer is all about tolerance and so whilst I would never want a ban on discussing the ethics, I think the mods would have to be very strict about the militant "meat is murder" brigade.
I have good friends who probably feel that way, but they don't feel the need to preach it. The net has the effect on a lot of people of letting them act in ways they never would face to face and a vegan forum would be a hot spot for this.

Hairyloon

Joined: 20 Nov 2008
Posts: 15425
Location: Today I are mostly being in Yorkshire.

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 17 7:20 pm Post subject:
Well if we are going there, can one of the vegans look at the care nurtured by some of the chicken keepers here and explain to me how it is exploitation?

Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
Posts: 16004

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 17 6:35 am Post subject:
Honey would be another case, but if we don't want to go into the ethical side of it, I think a thread in recipes still might be better.

sgt.colon

Joined: 27 Jul 2009
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Location: Just south of north.

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 17 10:19 am Post subject:
Genuine question here but why is it considered murder to kill an animal for food yet a living plant is okay to kill and eat? After all it's still a living thing.

Hairyloon

Joined: 20 Nov 2008
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Location: Today I are mostly being in Yorkshire.

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 17 12:24 pm Post subject:

sgt.colon wrote:

Genuine question here but why is it considered murder to kill an animal for food yet a living plant is okay to kill and eat? After all it's still a living thing.

Lack of an easily observable pain response.

sgt.colon

Joined: 27 Jul 2009
Posts: 7380
Location: Just south of north.

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 17 3:12 pm Post subject:
Ahhh thanks HL, I've always wondered. So if that is the case, why won't vegans eat eggs? Surely no observable pain response there?

Hairyloon

Joined: 20 Nov 2008
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Location: Today I are mostly being in Yorkshire.

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 17 6:23 pm Post subject:

sgt.colon wrote:

Ahhh thanks HL, I've always wondered.

For clarity, I do not claim that is the official answer.

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So if that is the case, why won't vegans eat eggs? Surely no observable pain response there?

Ah, but we are exploiting the chickens.
In the case of factory farms, they are entirely right, but the argument does not hold for any poultry keepers that I know.

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 46249
Location: yes

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 17 11:23 pm Post subject:
roadkill? vermin on the veg? innocent bystanders? some of those are yummy, some much less so, in most systems many are bycatch or deliberate casualties to protect the veg ps i have been a veggie /vegan eater for about 20% of my life, now i try to be an ethical omnivore

1000seeds

Joined: 21 Aug 2011
Posts: 76
Location: Garden of England

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 17 11:55 pm Post subject:

The last few posts give the reason why i stated food related.

I agree with the point made by sgt colon, why is it okay to eat veg and not animals? I like eating both, but my reason for changing is not about the ethics of eating animals. It is about something else as previously mentioned. There will always be the minority who disagree with the rest , i simply thought it would be nice to have a section i can get ideas from. My friend has given me lots of ideas, unfortunately i can't eat most of it as i am a fussy eater.

Making mistakes is easy too. I was eating marshmallows the other day, i bought a load for a group of us volunteers at the nature reserve i frequent, to toast. I asked if she wanted one. "No. Do you know what's in it?" "Sugar, vanilla." I said. "And?" " Oh. gelatin." They won't go to waste though.

When we make anything, a vegan or vegetarian will have an alternative way of making it. that is what i hope will come of this.

NorthernMonkeyGirl

Joined: 10 Apr 2011
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 17 10:09 am Post subject:
Practically speaking, I don't see enough new posts in recipes for it to be worth subdividing. What about recipes that aren't substitutes but just happen to be veggie? I'm not going to go specifically to a veggie section, so I wouldn't come across those. You're limiting your market, in essence. Edit- obv website layout is up to our benevolent overlords

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