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Hairyloon

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Posted: Mon Jun 10, 19 2:44 pm Post subject: Abandoned BitCoin mine...

I don't know if anybody here is familiar with BitCoin. I don't claim to know a lot, but the relevant point is that they are "Mined" by doing a ridiculous amout of calculating by computer, and because it gets progressively more difficult, the amount of computing power required to get anywhere with it is getting utterly ludicrous (if it wasn't in the first place).

Some years back, a friend bought a "bitcoin mine": some hardware dedicated to the relevant calculations, which is of course now almost completely useless for that task.

However there are very many tasks that require lots of repetitive calculations: cure for cancer, search for extra terrestrial intelligence, big data perversion of democracy, etc. Could such a machine be put to task on any of these projects?

We might argue that to do so would be a waste of electricity, but there are still quite a lot of people who use electricity for heating for quite a lot of the time, and if they are doing that, then why not put the electricity to work on its way to becoming heat?

I had quite a long debate with the mine owner and his friend as to whether a bitcoin mine would be as efficient at heating as an electric heater, but I am pretty sure the law of thermodynamics is on my side in that one...

dpack

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Posted: Mon Jun 10, 19 8:27 pm Post subject:
" : cure for cancer, search for extra terrestrial intelligence, big data perversion of democracy, " perfect re the warming thing if it will be a heat source what to use it for depends on writing or finding what needs running

sgt.colon

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Posted: Tue Jun 11, 19 7:27 am Post subject:
Just on an aside. I use my phone, whilst it is on charge to help CRUK run calculations for research. It's quite a funky app.

Hairyloon

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Posted: Wed Jun 12, 19 11:37 pm Post subject:

dpack wrote:

" : cure for cancer, search for extra terrestrial intelligence, big data perversion of democracy, "

perfect

Is what I thought, but the relevant question is of how to get set up on the project.

jema
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 19 6:59 am Post subject:
You need an existing project that has migrated to GPU mining, the old ones I know of like SETI were all CPU mining.

Hairyloon

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Posted: Tue Jul 02, 19 9:09 am Post subject:

sgt.colon wrote:

Just on an aside. I use my phone, whilst it is on charge to help CRUK run calculations for research. It's quite a funky app.

I may write to the chap behind that project. I've found an email address.

jema wrote:

You need an existing project that has migrated to GPU mining, the old ones I know of like SETI were all CPU mining.

Except the dedicated bitcoin mines don't use GPUs, they use application-specific integrated circuits (though I won't be surprised if you tell me a GPU is an ASIC).
All of the conventional wisdom appears to be that these things cannot be repurposed (for example here).
However, as I expect you know, I am not a big fan of conventional wisdom...

Mistress Rose

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Posted: Wed Jul 03, 19 7:15 am Post subject:

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However, as I expect you know, I am not a big fan of conventional wisdom...

Funny, we would never have guessed!

Hairyloon

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Posted: Wed Jul 03, 19 9:49 am Post subject:

Mistress Rose wrote:

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However, as I expect you know, I am not a big fan of conventional wisdom...

Funny, we would never have guessed!

It very often proves wrong.
For example, conventional wisdom used to say that the sun went around the Earth.

Recognise wisdom as wisdom, but don't accept convention as wisdom unless it passes muster.

Mistress Rose

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Posted: Thu Jul 04, 19 6:38 am Post subject:
True, but there is sometimes a happy medium. I question things, but tend to work slow and steady and as a logical progression.

Hairyloon

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Posted: Thu Jul 04, 19 5:20 pm Post subject:

Mistress Rose wrote:

True, but there is sometimes a happy medium...

Run with it if it works, but don't presume that it's right just because, and especially not if you can see why it might not be...

jema
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Posted: Fri Jul 05, 19 8:03 am Post subject:
Most coin mining is on GPU, the term bitcoin mine tends to be used generically to encompass all mining.

Hairyloon

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Posted: Fri Jul 05, 19 9:03 am Post subject:

jema wrote:

Most coin mining is on GPU, the term bitcoin mine tends to be used generically to encompass all mining.

My apologies. I don't know if "Most" is correct, but "Many" certainly is and I won't argue the difference.
The one we are discussing is described as ASIC, not GPU.

However, if I understand correctly, a GPU is a type of ASIC and I suspect that calling it ASIC rather that GPU is down to marketing, and if they call it GPU people might get ideas about doing something with their old graphics cards...

jema
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Posted: Mon Jul 08, 19 6:21 am Post subject:
The basic difference between ASIC and GPU is a GPU is a general purpose bit of silicon an ASIC much more hardwired, so an ASIC will do a particular coin very well, but only that coin. A GPU can do anything, but will be less efficient.

Hairyloon

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Posted: Mon Jul 08, 19 3:02 pm Post subject:

jema wrote:

The basic difference between ASIC and GPU is a GPU is a general purpose bit of silicon an ASIC much more hardwired, so an ASIC will do a particular coin very well, but only that coin. A GPU can do anything, but will be less efficient.

Yes, that was more or less my understanding.
Though I thought a GPU was hardwired for graphics type calculations: it's an application specific IC where the specific application is graphics.
Ah well, I'm allowed to be wrong occasionally.

Do I take it that you concur with the conventional wisdom then, that this mine cannot be repurposed?
Possibly depends what the chips are: some of these ASICs are built from FPGAs, which could potentially be reconfigured.
Probably not worth the trouble though I expect.

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