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dpack

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Posted: Thu Dec 05, 24 4:05 pm Post subject: this years random bonus plant
tri corner leek spent compost with its clump settled wasn't all grass, or close to death apparently the building new soil spot in the mouse castle suits it, growing well and ace strong flavour forage "my own" mouse castle is rather fun, tis a nice herb to have established by some random means in spent compost

Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
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Posted: Fri Dec 06, 24 7:52 am Post subject:
Nice find, but it is classified as an invasive species, so don't let it get out or out of control. Hope the mice like the smell.

dpack

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Posted: Fri Dec 06, 24 9:52 am Post subject:
i recon eating it will keep it under control. the mice have not eaten it, unlike domestic alliums nor do the vine weevils who are beasts for chives

dpack

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Posted: Fri Dec 06, 24 9:52 am Post subject:

dpack wrote:

i recon eating it will keep it under control. the mice have not eaten it, unlike domestic alliums

nor do the vine weevils who are beasts for chives and wild garlic

Mistress Rose

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Posted: Sat Dec 07, 24 8:17 am Post subject:

Nicky cigreen

Joined: 25 Jun 2007
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Location: Devon, uk

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 24 2:33 pm Post subject:
we know it as three corned leek very invasive - we had some turn up near compost heap and although it is a tiny patch, I have consistently failed to get rid of it. The battle is ongoing. I strongly advise against it. Coleton fishacre - a NT property is covered in the stuff, the woodlands - it is the only plant under the trees - they have volunteer days to clear the stuff....

dpack

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Posted: Mon Dec 09, 24 3:16 pm Post subject:

if it can survive under a bramble hedge which has shaded out many species it is welcome to join the flora

under a dense canopy 2 out of 3 years in an urban canyon, with wildlife, with soil build by addition etc is a challenging micro habitat to become established in

i have avoided trees for obvious reasons(some have been relocated) but have added many "native" and other potential growers, the randoms seem to do best

perhaps hardy cloud forest things might thrive, sometimes it gets quite dry, did i mention challenging

i am probably a few hundred years ahead of a "natural" mouse castle in terms of established species, but there is a long way to go while i can still nudge it

the every few years changes of the "common" species, over 2 decades, has been dramatic, especially among the invertebrates

invasive is a flexible attribute, at times invasive can be good

Nicky cigreen

Joined: 25 Jun 2007
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Location: Devon, uk

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 24 3:25 pm Post subject:

dpack wrote:

invasive is a flexible attribute, at times invasive can be good

hmm well I believe it is a schedule 9 invasive species.

for culinary uses - I think it is nice added to cheese scone mix, and I have mixed it into homemade labneh - I'm still trying to destroy it though.

dpack

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Posted: Mon Dec 09, 24 6:18 pm Post subject:
destroy by grazing seems ok

Mistress Rose

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Posted: Tue Dec 10, 24 8:27 am Post subject:
Would you like me to send you some wild garlic instead. Get rid of the three cornered leek and put that in instead. It seems to cope with wet and dry but doesn't like direct sunlight.

dpack

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Posted: Tue Dec 10, 24 9:54 am Post subject:

thanks but that bed has killed wild garlic several times, when the bramble is between deep trims under it , between 2 houses and facing north west, is very dark

it is isolated by concrete and bricks and the nearest M 8 sssi is a sewage filled swamp a mile away

invasive=hardy is ok by me in these circumstances(some interlopers have had to go, potato can be difficult)

if it gets too rampant i have ways to get rid of troublesome plants but if it does ground cover at the back of the mouse castle it is not outcompeting anything

Mistress Rose

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Posted: Wed Dec 11, 24 8:19 am Post subject:
If wild garlic doesn't survive, I suspect it is because the ground is unsuitable. It grows best in dense coppice in our wood and is only knocked back when we cut the coppice and let the light in. This year in particular it has been very dark under the leaves.

dpack

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Posted: Wed Dec 11, 24 9:48 am Post subject:

the ground is several feet of rich worm filled black earth with tunnels, stores and nest chambers etc
there is wood and small compostables in places

it is a changing environment by month and by year, the wildlife can be harsh on many plants as can life in a canyon under a bramble bush

when the bramble is at full second year size it is very dark, darker than any coppice i know
my camera can take pretty good snaps in any low light, without plenty of big reflectors and a sunny day under it is darker than the more open aspects of the yard at night
the wildlife snaps are technically challenging

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