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Gervase

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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 06 8:44 pm Post subject:
I'm with Bodger - and would also suggest Ryeland as they are very easy lambers.

deanom

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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 06 4:18 pm Post subject: Thanks
Thanks for the replies so far. I must confess that i expected more replies, and perhaps some debate.

Bodger

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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 06 6:08 pm Post subject:
At the end of the day a sheeps a sheep mate ! I could tell you which breeds not to have though !

Lionheart

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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 06 6:35 pm Post subject:
Norfolk Horn! Norfolk Horn! Yummy hogget and mutton and a doddle to keep. Support our rare breeds!

Bodger

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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 06 6:52 pm Post subject:
Yep ! Is that the breed you don't have to shear ?

alison
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Posted: Sun Jul 16, 06 8:34 pm Post subject:

A disadvantage with the Poll Dorset is the extra wool, down the legs, and on the cheeks, which makes them look wooly and cuddly, but does make it harder to sheer.

I would go for a more docile breed, but perhaps if you said what type of regiem and management they will have then maybe we could suggest more.

My shepherd friend has been doing some very interesting research, with his flock on various rams, for example, but the flock management is totally different.

Louisdog

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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 06 5:35 pm Post subject:
We have Shetland sheep, I liked their colours and the fact they are a very nice small size, and very easy lambers. We bred three ewes this year, two were first-timers, and got three sets of twins, with no need for us to intervene. The lamb is tasty too!

gil
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 06 10:49 pm Post subject:

Not that surprised you're getting fairly consistent answers. You're in Lincs, which suggests that you should go for downland-type sheep. Downside, as said, is that they do go fat fast. Upside is that they tend to be docile.

I'd say stick to native breeds and ignore the continentals (at least for breeding ewes). Pure hill breeds are probably a no-go area where you are, and on that acreage.
I like Suffolks as downland sheep to keep, but the meat is a bit on the fat side. Pure Ryeland or Southdown would be better eating.

You could get downland breeding ewes, and cross with [what heresy am I suggesting here ?

] a Texel or Charolais tup for leaner lambs with meaty hindquarters.

Or Jacobs (a typical smallholders' sheep of choice up here). Good eating and nice-looking.
I like the idea of sticking to local-ish breeds, so Norfolk Horn night be another possible. You won't presumably want Lincolnshire Longwool

if you want them for meat.

Why were you thinking of breeding out of season ? Lambing and lambing management is a lot easier if you do it at the usual time or even slightly later, so you can lamb outdoors when the grass has started growing again after winter. [With larger flocks, an indoor early lambing presents additional problems of disease that spreads when sheep are all together in sheds].

Re feet : you'll have to see to their feet anyway. It's the hill breeds that tend to have tough feet to cope with wet hill conditions.

What thoughts had you been having as to breed of choice, deano ? Also, what's available locally ?

lynn

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Posted: Tue Jul 18, 06 11:39 am Post subject: Re: What breed of sheep should I use?

deanom wrote:

I'm planning on getting some sheep later this year, and am still unsure which breed, or cross to buy.

I bought a great book which lists all of the breeds, but ended up with a wider choice.

I am looking to breed for meat, not wool.

Dryish conditions, although clay soil can get wet for short periods in winter. Small field (1 acre), grazed hard in strips. Plenty of hay, leaves, comfrey, and tree hay to feed.

I like the look/sound of Poll Dorset, Ryeland, Southdown, and a few of the French imports, especially those which can breed out of season. Many others look interesting.

What are your thoughts

Suffolks and Texels are worth looking at.

Bodger

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Posted: Tue Jul 18, 06 12:44 pm Post subject:

When we first moved here ( 18 years ago ) we bought a Jacobs ewe with triplet lambs from a local farmer and it was through her that we got to meet half the village.
She jumped like Arkle, the higher the fence the more of a challenge it was and she taught her offspring the same techniques. We ate them but we had to put up with mum for several years.
She was the only jacob that we ever had so I'm not an expert on them but it was such a pleasant relief when we had the South Downs.

deanom

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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 06 7:15 pm Post subject: Thanks

Thanks again for the replies

I liked the idea of breeding out of season to get lambs at different times of the year, possibly not mating all the ewes at the same time.

I like what I've read about Ryeland and Cambridge sheep. Southdowns also look like being easy to manage in a small area, kept behind electric fencing and then strip grazing the field. The only dowside that I can see to keeping these slightly smaller sheep, is that they cost the same to slaughter and butcher as a larger one.

Norfolk Horn would seem to be well adapted to the heat and dryness of this part of the country. The woolless sheep, Wiltshire Horn, also look like a good idea.

Finally, I could get some relatively cheap commercial shhep from one of the local flocks.

Still not sure which to choose, but intend to start looking at some of the potential breeds soon.

wellington womble

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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 06 8:54 pm Post subject:
Wiltshire horn don't need shearing, and look pretty when they've finished moulting. MIL's will come running when we go into the field, and the lambs positively love a scratch and tickle (terrifies my border collies who are used to things running away, and need serious self help on the sheep front!) Haven't tried the meat yet, but will let you know next year.

gil
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 06 9:34 pm Post subject:

A large part of the taste of the meat is what the lambs eat.
It would be possible to ruin a perfectly good-tasting lamb of any breed by fattening it quickly on turnips etc.
I used to rear bog-standard [for round here] Suffolk tup x Greyface ewe (Scottish Blackface x Blue-faced Leicester) lambs. The taste difference was they were grazed on species-rich, organic upland pasture that had not been re-seeded within living memory.

Lionheart

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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 06 6:32 am Post subject:
If you're going to go down the native breed route then might I suggest you amble along to the rare breed show and sale at Melton Mowbray livestock market on Friday 8th and Saturday 9th September. It would be a good opportunity to see all of the breeds in one place and to talk to their respective owners and breed societies. Cris

Stacey

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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 06 7:15 am Post subject:

We've got Poll Dorsets and we let them lamb when they like so we don't have to find room in the freezer for all the lamb at once. They're very wooly though. We also have shetlands and you're right about the slaugter costs - the meat is delicious though - sweeter somehow than the dorset. However, the shetlands are just huge fluffballs on tiny legs - if you're not interested in wool they'd be a pain I reckon.

RRR's idea about the rare breed show sounds an excellent idea. We've learned so much from talking to breeders at agricultural shows.

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