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cab

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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 04 11:23 am Post subject: Soapy Weekend

Made soap for Christmas presents yesterday. Ought to just about be ready for then.

Three batches, all from the same base soap (which was 400g sunflower oil, 400g coconut oil, 200g olive oil and a carefully calculated qualtity of sodium hydroxide, dissolved in water). Warmed to a 60C ish, mixed carefully, and stirred intermettently till it looked like it might be tracing, at which point I added 2 teaspoons of vitamin e oil.

Split it into three lots, two small ones (one of which I scented with spearmint oil, the other with a mix of lilly of the valley, violet, lavender and fresia), and one large one (scented with lots of cracked allspice - that batch was half of the soap, and will give me 10 bars of really nice soap for Christmas presents).

Soap making is a really, really easy craft. As long as you're not put off by the nasty ingredients, it's such a simple activity.

sean
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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 04 11:30 am Post subject:
Where do you get sodium hydroxide? Cheers, Sean

jema
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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 04 11:31 am Post subject:
I used to get this type of thing from pharmascists a long time ago, lately I get the impression they have got a lot tighter. jema

cab

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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 04 11:32 am Post subject:

sean wrote:

Where do you get sodium hydroxide?
Cheers, Sean

Home Base. Or any other home type shop. People buy it for cleaning drains, and the purity is usually really high these days.

cab

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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 04 11:33 am Post subject:

jema wrote:

I used to get this type of thing from pharmascists a long time ago, lately I get the impression they have got a lot tighter.

jema

Pharmacists have become right sticks in the mud lately. Not their fault, of course. Most of them cen't even get saltpetre any more.

Jonnyboy

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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 04 11:34 am Post subject:
How did you shape it?[/code]

cab

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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 04 11:38 am Post subject:

Jonnyboy wrote:

How did you shape it?[/code]

After it's reaches soft trace, I pour it into moulds. You can use all manner of moulds, but I'm of the opinion that moulds should be cheap and easily obtainable so I use old Chinese take away plastic dishes and any other waste plasticware I can lay my hads on. Then when it's getting hard enough to hold a cut, I turn it out, slice it into bar sized bits, and wrap it in a towel. Then it needs to sit somewhere where it won't get too hot or two cold (back of the airing cupboard will do) till its fully cured (old soap makers trick is to touch it with the tip of your tongue; if it no longer tingles, it's done!).

I'll ask a friend of mine who's done WAY more soapmaking than I have to do us an introduction to soap making article.

sean
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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 04 11:39 am Post subject:
Yes please.

Bugs

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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 04 11:45 am Post subject:

The sodium wossname sounds quite intimidating but then, if I spend too much time looking at the ingredients list on most toiletries I'd probably never wash

Unfortunately I have a slight soap phobia (I hate the way it goes gungey when it's been used). Is it possible to turn the finished soap in to liquid soap (I'm sure I've seen a method for this somewhere) or can the soap be finished to a liquid rather than a solid?

cab

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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 04 12:53 pm Post subject:
Bugs, I don't know. I'll mull it over and have a look at my soap books. The sodium hydroxide is genuinely nasty stuff. You should be afraid of it, I know I am. But handled carefully, and used accurately, it's completely neutralised in by the fat (which is a weak acid) in the soap.

jema
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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 04 1:04 pm Post subject:

Cab wrote:

Bugs, I don't know. I'll mull it over and have a look at my soap books.

The sodium hydroxide is genuinely nasty stuff. You should be afraid of it, I know I am. But handled carefully, and used accurately, it's completely neutralised in by the fat (which is a weak acid) in the soap.

lol, and handle otherwise and you have flesh eating soap

jema

Sarah D

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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 04 1:31 pm Post subject:
How much of it did you use - you just said a carefully measured quantity, but gave amounts for the other ingredients.

cab

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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 04 1:42 pm Post subject:

jema wrote:

lol, and handle otherwise and you have flesh eating soap

jema

Indeed

But the trickis to measure carefully, then aim to just superfat your soap a little (i.e. add a wee bit more fat than you really need, just a couple of percent more). That way you're doing really well to make a caustic soap!

cab

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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 04 1:58 pm Post subject:

Lowlander wrote:

How much of it did you use - you just said a carefully measured quantity, but gave amounts for the other ingredients.

I did indeed.

You need to know the saponification values for the fats you're using, and you multiply the weight of each fat by its own saponification value to give you the quantity of lye (sodium hydroxide) you need.

I haven't got my charty handy, it's in a book at home. I'll post the sums later.

cab

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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 04 2:22 pm Post subject:
Good news! My soap guru has promised us a little article on the subject

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