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Bugs

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Posted: Sat Feb 19, 05 10:42 am Post subject:
We did buy some cider vinegar but have yet to use it for anything apart from in the kitchen. I think you are supposed to add small quantities to water, but they've got on all right without it so far. Keep some plastic straws or something like that, or a syringe/baster, in case you do need to put oil down their throat.

judyofthewoods

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Posted: Sat Feb 19, 05 12:34 pm Post subject:

Bugs wrote:

Keep some plastic straws or something like that, or a syringe/baster, in case you do need to put oil down their throat.

You'r supposed to baste them on the outside

Bugs

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Posted: Sat Feb 19, 05 3:34 pm Post subject:
I'm a vegetarian, I can't be expected to know this kind of thing

alison
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Posted: Sat Feb 19, 05 8:31 pm Post subject:
So far with ours we have used brandy with a medicine spoon, flavulet wormer, vasalin, cider vinegar and sudacreme (nappy cream) Most the time we use nothing, just clean water and food.

Bugs

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Posted: Sat Feb 19, 05 8:35 pm Post subject:
Alison, really sorry to keep asking questions (but you know, "fool for five minutes" etc)...what is the sudacreme for? I assume the brandy is as you might use for humans??

alison
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Posted: Sat Feb 19, 05 9:08 pm Post subject:
We had two cockerels who fought to the death, and the one on deaths door had 1 1/2 minatures of brandy and the wounds were cleaned and then plastered with sudacreme. Not sure how vetty that is, but it heals babies bums so quickly it did the trick. It is good for wounds and sores. We have used it on combs and wattles too with success.

Marigold123

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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 05 1:09 am Post subject:

Hypercal tincture is excellent for healing just about anything sore, itchy or damaged skin. It's basically a mother tincture of hypericum (St John's Wort - Rockrose?) and Calendula (English Marigold), preserved in a mixture of water and brandy. You use a few drops in a small glass of water, like Bach remedies or Rescue Remedy, and dab it on/bathe wherever it is required. It comes as a cream as well, which is sometimes more appropriate.

Rescue remedy (or Five Flower Remedy - generic) is useful for reviving people and animals in physical or emotional shock, and arnica cream or arnica tablets (homeopathic) dissolved in water are fabulous for soft tissue damage, (cuts, bruising, internal or external). It heals things in half the time, and is also good for shock.

Lavender essential oil is also amazing for burns and bruises in people. I don't know if there's any reason why you wouldn't use it on poultry. It's one of the few oils that is completely safe for use on the skin, and shouldn't hurt them if they peck at it.

Also, Bugs, I wanted to ask how you do the straw thing with chickens. Is there a particular technique to getting the straw in? I'd read that you could drown birds if you try to pour liquid directly into their beaks, (or is that just fledgelings?) People obviously do it with oil for blockages and suchlike, but I was wondering how you know you've got it in the right place?

Oh, and what does the cider vinegar do?

Lloyd

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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 05 1:23 am Post subject:

[quote="Bugs"]Alison, really sorry to keep asking questions (but you know, "fool for five minutes" etc)...what is the sudacreme for?

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In the Army, I found Sudacreme was used extensively for rapid healing of any soft tissue damage, such as the "burgen burns", caused by long distance running with a heavy rucksack, also to heal blistered feet, as well as for sweat rash in the groin, or just about any skin condition!

Gertie

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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 05 2:50 pm Post subject:

Hey there are some good suggestions here - we've always got plenty of brandy in the house - will have to tell Lundy not to drink it all.

We have Sudacreme in our horse first aid box. We've got syringes (without needles!) for flushing out wounds that our vet let us have. Have got some vegetable oil, only thing missing is on Marigold's list, but I do have some rescue remedy somewhere.

Our horse first aid box used to get a few laughs - always had a bag of disposable nappies (foot abcesses), gaffer tape and cloth money bags from the bank amongst the usual stuff.

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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 05 3:19 pm Post subject:

Marigold123 wrote:

Also, Bugs, I wanted to ask how you do the straw thing with chickens. Is there a particular technique to getting the straw in? I'd read that you could drown birds if you try to pour liquid directly into their beaks, (or is that just fledgelings?) People obviously do it with oil for blockages and suchlike, but I was wondering how you know you've got it in the right place?

When our Treacle had a compacted crop there were a few things suggested. One was to try and make her sick but apparently they can choke to death! We decided to feed her some sunflower oil and massage her crop over a few days. She wasn't force fed, the secret it to get the oil into her beak and she happily swallows it. The easiest way is with a small plastic pipette or a straw.

Pick up chicken and hold firm in one hand. Suck up oil in a straw and put finger over the top end to stop oil draining out. Gently hold wattles under beak and hopefully the beak opens. Place straw at the side of beak at take finger off the end and a little oil enters the mouth and hen swallows. Carry on a few times and then massage crop gently for a few minutes.

Of course hen flaps a fair bit, oil goes everywhere so wear old clothes, but she recovered from quite a solid crop after a week of this and passed some very fibrous droppings.

Bugs

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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 05 6:07 pm Post subject:

Marigold123 wrote:

I've read that about drowning too

As far as I know it's a question of getting the liquid far back enough - perhaps DarrenG or someone else with lots of chicken knowledge can help with more details.

Apart from what Treacodactyl said, if it doesn't open its beak when you *gently* tug the wattles, you might be able to squeeze the sides of the beak (again quite gently) to encourage it to open. Then you need to get in quick.

It all sounds quite cruel and it is very distressing (not half as distressing as it is for the chicken though

); but in an emergency, well. And in the end I'm glad we did it and I don't begrudge the scratches, multiple changes of clothes or nasty looks from Treacle

alison
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 05 8:28 pm Post subject:
How did you get so scratched. When we have to treat a chicken one person sits, holding the chicken firmly around the middle, pinning the feet onto the lap, and the wings to the side, while the other holds the head with one hand and does the necessary with the other.

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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 05 8:41 pm Post subject:

Out of our three hens, one's just grumpy but can be held and one will happily jump on my lap and sit on my shoulder. One, who is very large for her breed and exceptionally strong, is the one who gets ill! When she scratches around the garden she easily shoves bricks to one side.

Even a vet who only deals with birds had to resort to the Vulcan hen grip.

If you pick her up, place her on your lap and take care with her wings she can be held ok. It's also funny how she grips your fingers just like a baby grabs them.

alison
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 05 9:09 pm Post subject:
Ours have to be gripped hard. I don't do feathers or flapping. So I am the one doing the administering of drugs.

Marigold123

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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 05 9:14 pm Post subject:

Hens are funny creatures, aren't they? Our head honcho chicken, Bermuda, is a vicious b*gger when you're walking around in the garden. She thinks she's a cockerel and pecks at hands, feet, ankles, trousers - you name it, if she can reach it she'll peck it. (Not in an inquisitive, 'I wonder if that shoelace is edible'/'I'm SURE I can see a beetle on your trousers' sort of way, just going for the kill!)

However, if you have to pick her up, she's calm as anything, and stays quite still. The silly dim one, Ginger, is more nervous than the other two, and tends to panic. No matter how carefully or firmly you hold her, she often manages to get her wings out from under your hands and flaps about.

It makes me feel like Alice with the flamingo in the Disney version of Alice in Wonderland!

It's funny how different in nature they all are.

Thanks for the advice on administering oil. Seems obvious now you've said, but I couldn't think for the life of me how you got the oil into the chicken without drowning it!

(In fact you just drown yourself in oil instead!

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