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tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 05 5:59 pm Post subject:
Would you invite a madman with a shotgun over?

Treacodactyl
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 05 6:00 pm Post subject:
I'm not sure, there should be something on the DEFRA site along the lines of killing rats. Some of the laws may not make sense and I doubt much would happen to you unless you were cruel, but it's best to know. Can you use Larsen traps for pigeons?

Lloyd

Joined: 24 Jan 2005
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 05 7:15 pm Post subject:

cab wrote:

Suppose I was to take a wild pigeon without use of a gun... I see fat, tasty looking pigeons within arms reach all around local villages... Naah, scratch that idea.

Is it legal though?

Depending on species...woodies are classed as vermin, although they have very close relatives, which you are not allowed to kill. The latter are more purple. Any way, it would also depend how you did the deed. Use a stick and you are carrying an offensive weapon. Upset passers by and it could be construed a public order offense, such as Breach of the Peace.

Lloyd

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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 05 7:18 pm Post subject:

tahir wrote:

Would you invite a madman with a shotgun over?

I'm relatively domesticated, you know!...And afterwards we could sautee the breasts in butter and chopped shallotts.

moggins

Joined: 24 Feb 2005
Posts: 942
Location: Gloucester

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 05 8:44 pm Post subject:
Can you come and get the pair that are sitting on my fence every morning eyeing up my veggie patch then?

Treacodactyl
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 05 8:50 pm Post subject:
I always remember when I lived in an area where people would use so much lawn weed killer etc that their front lawns were almost 'perfect'. As I didn't I had quite a few weeds, although it was well mown and looked fine to me. Then, after a while, pigeons would only visit my lawn to eat all the extra plants. They loved the dandelions, chicory, etc growing in the lawn.

Lloyd

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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 05 9:02 pm Post subject:

moggins wrote:

Can you come and get the pair that are sitting on my fence every morning eyeing up my veggie patch then?

Hang on, let me check your picture!

Lloyd

Joined: 24 Jan 2005
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 05 9:05 pm Post subject:
I remember from Army daze, one chap who could shoot a Woody on the wing, using a .22 LR!!

joker

Joined: 08 Nov 2004
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Posted: Wed Mar 30, 05 6:57 am Post subject:

Mat S wrote:

I've been thinking of leaving a cage-type structure (5 sided box) propped up at one end by a stick tied to a bit of string which I hold - some distance away. Bit of grain in the cage and hello dinner! I'll get round to trying it one of these days...

Ive seen this tried and the pigeons just dont go under the cage wood pigeons are clever little sods some times youd be better off with an air rifle and a bird table now that does work

DarrenG

Joined: 26 Dec 2004
Posts: 110
Location: Lincolnshire Fens

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 05 7:50 am Post subject:

tahir wrote:

cab wrote:

Is it legal though?

That's a good question, if I ever end up buying some land I might buy an air rifle but definitely not a shotgun, how could I legally catch pigeons etc on my land?

Kill-germ sell pigeon traps, they've been around for donkeys years but I think you would only catch ferals in them and not woodies, so its one for you townies, and the enviromental health dept would probably pat you on the back for it for a change

tahir

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: Essex

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 05 9:18 am Post subject:

moggins wrote:

Can you come and get the pair that are sitting on my fence every morning eyeing up my veggie patch then?

Ditto, dirty great big buggers.

Treacodactyl
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Posted: Wed Mar 30, 05 11:07 am Post subject:

DarrenG wrote:

tahir wrote:

cab wrote:

Is it legal though?

That's a good question, if I ever end up buying some land I might buy an air rifle but definitely not a shotgun, how could I legally catch pigeons etc on my land?

I don't fancy eating the woodies in our garden due to the amount of stuff they seem to scavenge from peoples gardens. Same goes for tree rats. They tend to scoff fat balls, old bread, rubbish and all sorts of seeds with treatments etc.

I would if I had to but I'd prefer getting some from more wild places.

Cab, could you not track done someone who shoots them over farmland and arrange to collect some?

cab

Joined: 01 Nov 2004
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Posted: Wed Mar 30, 05 11:14 am Post subject:

Treacodactyl wrote:

Cab, could you not track done someone who shoots them over farmland and arrange to collect some?

Maybe. But I don't see that as any better guarantee of safety than eating a suburban pigeon.

Treacodactyl
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Posted: Wed Mar 30, 05 11:22 am Post subject:
I was thinking more along the lines of ready killed birds. The question of what is safe and what I may think is safe would make a good topic.

cab

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Posted: Wed Mar 30, 05 11:30 am Post subject:

Treacodactyl wrote:

I was thinking more along the lines of ready killed birds. The question of what is safe and what I may think is safe would make a good topic.

Both good points.

I dunno. Might be someone local who has an excess of pigeons. It'd be nice.

A couple of mates of mine were threatened by some lampers last year, and in a roundabout way it was my fault. So there's got to be some excess vermin meat somewhere local

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