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Jonnyboy

Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 23956
Location: under some rain.

Posted: Thu Apr 03, 08 10:41 pm Post subject:
It's not about ï¿½20 It's about whether you need to pass the certification course first.

VSS

Joined: 14 Jan 2007
Posts: 2845
Location: Llyn Peninsula, North Wales

Posted: Thu Apr 03, 08 10:45 pm Post subject:
from what i remember the answer is yes. although it is possible the regs may have changed since then. ask the local harbourmaster, coastguard, or contact the RYA - they will know the answer.

Jonnyboy

Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 23956
Location: under some rain.

Posted: Thu Apr 03, 08 10:48 pm Post subject:
Hopefully someone will, ofcom doesn't appear to.

happytechie

Joined: 24 Jan 2006
Posts: 408
Location: Surrey (at the mo.)

Posted: Tue Apr 08, 08 9:35 pm Post subject:

whilst I think the efforts to abide by the letter of the law are admirable I don't think anyone is going to throw the book at you for calling the coastguard if you're in trouble. It goes like this

sinking boat: select channel 16 and say 'holyhead coastguard holyhead coastguard this is fishing vessel jonnyboys boat I am sinking and in ugent need of assistance over'

sinking boat: I am about 3 miles SW of wherever

coastguard: (they have already hit the lifeboat pagers and the crew are on the way) We are DFing your exact position now please stay on air.

At no stage will they refuse to talk to you for not having a radio license or report you to the police for not having one.

Of course when you call them on a cell phone via 999 you need to know where exactly you are or the lifeboat and helicopters will take ages to find you in the fog!

It's just my 2p as an ex lifeboat man who has undertaken several searches for boats in the fog after calls to the coastguard from a mobile.

All that said, I am a hypocrite as I sailed with another lifeboat crew for years with no radio (and I even have a license).

RichardW

Joined: 24 Aug 2006
Posts: 8443
Location: Llyn Peninsular North Wales

Posted: Tue Apr 08, 08 9:42 pm Post subject:

happytechie wrote:

We are DFing your exact position now

Thats interesting as they say that the reason for all the new radio's is that it gives your current position (and boat name) in a carrier signal under the voice signal. But sounds like they can just DF a standard signal.

Justme

jamanda
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Joined: 22 Oct 2006
Posts: 35057
Location: Devon

Posted: Tue Apr 08, 08 9:43 pm Post subject:
What's DFing stand for?

vegplot

Joined: 19 Apr 2007
Posts: 21301
Location: Bethesda, Gwynedd

Posted: Tue Apr 08, 08 10:19 pm Post subject:

happytechie wrote:

'holyhead coastguard holyhead coastguard this is fishing vessel jonnyboys boat I am sinking and in ugent need of assistance over'

Good range from Virginia Water, going to take ages to get to you though.

I took my VHF course a couple of years ago, have forgotten almost everything.

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 46235
Location: yes

Posted: Tue Apr 08, 08 10:30 pm Post subject:
another thing to do ps im still looking for a good boat (maritime so to say ) solid ,good range ,self contained and most importantly easy to use

RichardW

Joined: 24 Aug 2006
Posts: 8443
Location: Llyn Peninsular North Wales

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 08 7:58 am Post subject:

Jamanda wrote:

What's DFing stand for?

Direction Finding

Justme

deanowales

Joined: 17 Jun 2006
Posts: 28

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 08 12:04 pm Post subject:
Not sure if this has been mentioned but one thing I noticed in the video was the adult wearing waders!! THATS A DEFINATE NO NO sure way of drowning if going overboard waders fill with water and theres no way back...sorry if has been mentioned but its very important...you can have all the VHF Radios you like but you have to be alive to use them

Nick

Joined: 02 Nov 2004
Posts: 34535
Location: Hereford

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 08 12:10 pm Post subject:
And, are sure they can't find you with a mobile phone? Certainly mine is used to locate me several times a week. Perhaps it's a resolution thing, so it might not be precise enough. (Anyone curious, on Vodaphone, can dial 2222, and hit option 3).

RichardW

Joined: 24 Aug 2006
Posts: 8443
Location: Llyn Peninsular North Wales

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 08 12:24 pm Post subject:
I think that works ok in l;arge towns with more base stations so they can see how many your signal can be picked up on then using the overlaping base station areas work our roughly where you are. I guess at see you will be on one or two at most. Could be a large area. Justme

gnome

Joined: 19 Apr 2006
Posts: 730

Posted: Tue May 13, 08 10:00 am Post subject:

i wouldnt risk my life on a mobile - for one thing, most oceans don't have masts every couple of miles, so you can't guarantee a signal (your nearest mast is probably on land - so make sure you are in range) there is nothing intrinsic to a basic mobile that enables them to pinpoint where it is. i think it can be done if you are within range of two masts and they can triangulate a position - not sure on that. being within sight of the harbour is no measure of safety - a great many people drown within sight of a harbour. unless you are close enough to it to safely swim to the steps wearing soaking wet clothing and boots, and against the tide in stormy weather.

happytechie

Joined: 24 Jan 2006
Posts: 408
Location: Surrey (at the mo.)

Posted: Mon Jun 09, 08 7:15 pm Post subject:

Nick wrote:

And, are sure they can't find you with a mobile phone? Certainly mine is used to locate me several times a week. Perhaps it's a resolution thing, so it might not be precise enough. (Anyone curious, on Vodaphone, can dial 2222, and hit option 3).

Not to my knowledge. The Coast Guard can DF a VHF signal very accurately using multiple aerials. They just press some buttons while you are transmitting and then tell the lifeboat where you are (or were when transmitting).

Mobile positioning will tell you which cellphone mast you are using. In a city this is likely to be quite a small area but out at sea it would only be the nearest bit of land to you. In a rural area (like anglesey) this could put you anywhere within a big circle and in the launch area for 2 or 3 different lifeboats.

RichardW

Joined: 24 Aug 2006
Posts: 8443
Location: Llyn Peninsular North Wales

Posted: Mon Jun 09, 08 7:35 pm Post subject:
We tried a service that located you via the mobile phone in the Gwynedd area. The best it could do was a 6 mile radius if near Pwllheli or a 15 mile one if outside of the Pwllheli one. Not much help on land would be worse at sea. Justme

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