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vegplot

Joined: 19 Apr 2007
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Location: Bethesda, Gwynedd

Posted: Thu Jul 10, 08 9:31 am Post subject: Toy caps

This is a little outside the scope of the subject category.

We had the first part of a two part black powder competition last night. For the uninitiated black powder pistol shooting become popular in this country after the handgun ban in 1997 when nearly all pistols and revolvers were removed from public ownership. However, black powder (gunpowder) revolvers were exempt.

It's a relatively cheap sport if you cast your own lead bullets and use black powder (pic) rather the than more expensive substitutes which are 2-3 times the price but don't require an explosives certificate. The caps (small percussion caps used to ignite the main charge) are expensive at around 4.5p each (27p for all six shots) and that doesn't include the powder, ball and wad. We discovered, last night, that toy pistol caps are just as effective and far cheaper thu8s making a very enjoyable sport a little less expensive to partake in.

SteveP

Joined: 23 Jan 2008
Posts: 155
Location: North Devon

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 08 11:06 am Post subject:

These guys may be interested in this
https://www.airgunbbs.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=23

Just a thought here but doesn't this make the recent regulations on buying primers a bit pointless if you can just go to the nearest toy store and get something to do the job with no questions asked. However, I cant see it working on centrefire cartridges so maybe the politicians will leave the kids caps unregulated for a while.

Steve

vegplot

Joined: 19 Apr 2007
Posts: 21301
Location: Bethesda, Gwynedd

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 08 2:54 pm Post subject:

SteveP wrote:

Just a thought here but doesn't this make the recent regulations on buying primers a bit pointless if you can just go to the nearest toy store and get something to do the job with no questions asked.

Certainly does but I'm not complaining if it means cheaper shooting.

GENT

Joined: 03 Jun 2008
Posts: 387
Location: Student diggs- coventry.

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 08 5:48 pm Post subject:
are those the little red ones that come in rings?

vegplot

Joined: 19 Apr 2007
Posts: 21301
Location: Bethesda, Gwynedd

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 08 5:52 pm Post subject:

GENT wrote:

are those the little red ones that come in rings?

Them are they.

GENT

Joined: 03 Jun 2008
Posts: 387
Location: Student diggs- coventry.

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 08 6:19 pm Post subject:
i didnt think they packed that much punch, thats surprising

vegplot

Joined: 19 Apr 2007
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Location: Bethesda, Gwynedd

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 08 9:17 pm Post subject:

GENT wrote:

i didnt think they packed that much punch, thats surprising

They don't. That's 40 odd grains of black powder sending a .45 calibre lead ball close to 900 feet per second. The caps just start the process, the igniter.

You can see three flames. The largest is burning powder coming out of the muzzle. The second, to the left is due to the small gap between the cylinder and the barrel and the left most is the percussion cap ignition.

GENT

Joined: 03 Jun 2008
Posts: 387
Location: Student diggs- coventry.

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 08 9:22 pm Post subject:
i meant that i am surprised that they even have enough ummph to act as a primer. cool though innit?

vegplot

Joined: 19 Apr 2007
Posts: 21301
Location: Bethesda, Gwynedd

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 08 9:26 pm Post subject:

GENT wrote:

i meant that i am surprised that they even have enough ummph to act as a primer. cool though innit?

Sorry, that was a little patronising. Yes, it is surprising but it does work and very well too.

GENT

Joined: 03 Jun 2008
Posts: 387
Location: Student diggs- coventry.

Posted: Sat Jul 12, 08 2:16 pm Post subject:

vegplot wrote:

Sorry, that was a little patronising. .

not at all, i didnt make myself clear. its interestng to have a breakdown of the image also. thanks.

vegplot

Joined: 19 Apr 2007
Posts: 21301
Location: Bethesda, Gwynedd

Posted: Sat Jul 12, 08 8:01 pm Post subject:

GENT wrote:

vegplot wrote:

Sorry, that was a little patronising. .

not at all, i didnt make myself clear. its interestng to have a breakdown of the image also. thanks.

It's a open shutter, fire, close shutter picture you wouldn't normaly expect to see all the flames at their most intense at the same time. In fact the effect is enchanced a brurning particles will for a track most obvious in the muzzle flash. In daylight you see very little of the flame just lots of smoke. It's great fun nonetheless.

If you're in the Bangor area anytime let me know and I'll take you to the indoor range and shoot a variety of guns. That goes for any Downsizer, it's an open invite.

GENT

Joined: 03 Jun 2008
Posts: 387
Location: Student diggs- coventry.

Posted: Sun Jul 13, 08 2:46 pm Post subject:
now ive gotta find a reason to get up there.... hmm, Family holiday? i will ask ginkotree...

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 46232
Location: yes

Posted: Sun Jul 13, 08 5:31 pm Post subject:
amazing what everyday object can do

GENT

Joined: 03 Jun 2008
Posts: 387
Location: Student diggs- coventry.

Posted: Sun Jul 13, 08 6:51 pm Post subject:
Indeed... i will give you fifteen minuites with my kitchen cubord and i would love to see what you come up with. or should this go into the cooking forum section? sorry, my mind is wondering again. sssh! be quiet gent!

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 46232
Location: yes

Posted: Mon Jul 14, 08 11:08 am Post subject:
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