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sean
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Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Posted: Thu May 26, 05 1:24 pm Post subject:

Deerstalker wrote:

Try selling them to a butcher or game dealer - he won't want to know with such bruising.

If you want to sell them to a butcher then ferrets and nets is the way to go IMHO. Definitely more profitable than rifle or shotgun.

Jonnyboy

Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 23956
Location: under some rain.

Posted: Thu May 26, 05 1:48 pm Post subject:

Madman wrote:

Jonnyboy wrote:

Madman wrote:

You say that JB, but have you ever been attacked by a wounded hare, that turned on you?

Clean kills mate

Thats excellent, but I wasn't born an expert, and had to learn along the way, including a few woundings. Who hasn't?

I know, it was only a joke. To be honest I wouldn't shoot hares over here, the population has been in decline but is increasing rapidly, I don't know if that is down to the temporary ban on coursing that was introduced or favourable breeding conditions though.

Lloyd

Joined: 24 Jan 2005
Posts: 2699

Posted: Thu May 26, 05 2:03 pm Post subject:
Interesting. I've only seen one in six months or so. I've heard of a brain disease in hares, the most obvious symptom of which is that they cease to be afraid of people. Not found this yet myself, though.

jema
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Posted: Thu May 26, 05 2:08 pm Post subject:

Madman wrote:

Interesting. I've only seen one in six months or so. I've heard of a brain disease in hares, the most obvious symptom of which is that they cease to be afraid of people. Not found this yet myself, though.

So how scared are you

deerstalker

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 589

Posted: Thu May 26, 05 2:33 pm Post subject:
The man who never gets the occasional runner, has never shot.

Lloyd

Joined: 24 Jan 2005
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Posted: Thu May 26, 05 3:51 pm Post subject:

jema wrote:

Madman wrote:

So how scared are you

Hiding under the bed!

Guest

Posted: Thu May 26, 05 9:13 pm Post subject:

I think the original post was "12 Bore, how did you get on with hitting something moving". The boastfull answer is, I've always been a great gun 1:1 on high crossing Pheasants.

The truth is I was rubbish (I mean rubbish) on anything but targets moving directly away or directly over me slowly.

Crossing targets I missed for 20 years. Why? Simple, I didn't understand the Physics of what was going on. By bringing the shotgun up to a target quicky you automatically generate the LEAD you NEED to hit a slowish moving target. You THINK you are pressing the trigger ON the target, but because of the SWING of the gun you are actually shooting in FRONT of it. That is why this 'method' is called "swing through". [ok no more capital letters]

But, like me, you will not get any better than that. i.e. Rubbish.

I only became so-so at the shotgun once I learned "The Method". This is the recommended way of shooting by the CPSA (Clay Pigeon Shooting Association), check out their site for more info, and it works, believe me. But you will also need lessons from a good instructor, but it's worth it.

After all that waffle, the Laymen want to know how people miss a moving target with a 12 bore? Do you want to know?

Ok, I'll tell you, people ALWAYS shoot BEHIND a moving target.

How much? Ok, for a flying target the size of a 6" saucer moving Right to Left 30 metres from you, going as quickly as a crow can fly without undue effort, how much lead? Go on, how much? Guess.

About 15ft of lead if you keep the gun moving when you pull the trigger, if you stop to pull the trigget, make it 25ft of lead. Even after telling you you will miss it behind (if your like me, daft, you'll give it 3ft lead and refuse to believe you will miss, so pull the trigger. Miss. Then think you missed it in front. and reduce your lead for the next clay.

To be good with a shotgun you need a GOOD instructor and LOTS of practice on clays. Have fun.

Lloyd

Joined: 24 Jan 2005
Posts: 2699

Posted: Thu May 26, 05 9:37 pm Post subject:
Thanks for that, Guest. You've motivated me to get out there again tomorrow. Cheers!

Guest

Posted: Thu May 26, 05 9:45 pm Post subject:
Good Lad.

Jonnyboy

Joined: 29 Oct 2004
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Location: under some rain.

Posted: Thu May 26, 05 11:37 pm Post subject:
Anyone remember those training cartridges that had phosporous in them? Tru tracer or something.

Gervase

Joined: 17 Nov 2004
Posts: 8655

Posted: Fri May 27, 05 12:15 pm Post subject:

Trouble with the tracer rounds is that the phosphorous doesn't travel with the shot very well - you get a rough idea but it's not ideal.
You can often see the shot string travelling through the air, particularly on an overcast day. Get someone to crouch behind you when you're practising on some clays and chances are they'll be able to see where your shot's going. They don't have to be an expert instructor - the keen eyes of a nine-year-old have helped me out before when I kept missing left-to-right crossers. Turned out I was dropping my shoulder and missing under and behind.

ohouston

Joined: 22 May 2005
Posts: 14

Posted: Sun May 29, 05 12:44 am Post subject: Tracers
I'm not sure shotgun tracers are for tracing shot trajectory. Are tracer shells not just for putting up a flare? i.e. here I am, land the rescue chopper here...

Lloyd

Joined: 24 Jan 2005
Posts: 2699

Posted: Sun May 29, 05 12:47 am Post subject:
Twelve woodies in half an hour this eve...

ohouston

Joined: 22 May 2005
Posts: 14

Posted: Sun May 29, 05 1:07 am Post subject:
Not bad. Impressed. But did you shoot them with tracers?

Lloyd

Joined: 24 Jan 2005
Posts: 2699

Posted: Sun May 29, 05 1:27 am Post subject:
Nope, clear pidgeon no 4.....Glad you're impressed.

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