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Behemoth

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Posted: Tue May 17, 05 12:23 pm Post subject:
I think David Icke is behind it all.

tahir

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dougal

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Posted: Tue May 17, 05 1:17 pm Post subject:
A very worthy demolition job - and we can now watch for the 555 glaciers as a tracer of the spread of this non-science. Anyone got any idea why Bellamy might have thought that this lot was in any way authoritative, or why he might have adopted this position? Or has the old boy just lost the plot?

tahir

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Posted: Tue May 17, 05 1:19 pm Post subject:
Seems scary that a figure as respected as him didn't look into matters closer before mouthing off to the whole world

jema
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Posted: Tue May 17, 05 1:24 pm Post subject:
You can bet Bellemy will be quoted for years to come as he is a NAME and since the refution is long and tedious, it will be forgotten THey guy really needs a good slapping for this

judyofthewoods

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Posted: Tue May 17, 05 1:56 pm Post subject:

Ah yes, David Bellamy, who when doing an item on TV on the CAT patronisingly belittled them by seemingly endorsing their work but calling the displays 'Mickey Mouse'. In all fairness it was in the earlier days of the CAT, and no doubt the CAT are trying hard themselves now to disasociate themselves with any amateur/grassroots image. When I mentioned this about DB to someone before, being puzzled about his attitude, I vaguely remember the person saying something about him working for big industry. Not sure if I've got it right - any one know about that to confirm or refute? It might explain things.

Behemoth

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Posted: Tue May 17, 05 2:03 pm Post subject:
I seem to remember that when his TV work dried up he got into bed with some big corporations to endorse their environmental projects as being good, which they probably were, but then couldn't criticise their general day to day practices which weren't.

Jonnyboy

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Posted: Tue May 17, 05 3:04 pm Post subject:
He is being a bit contrary isn't he? I have a lot of respect for the man so wouldn't write off his position, but the weight of evidence is against him.

Andy B

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Posted: Tue May 17, 05 3:07 pm Post subject:

Jonnyboy wrote:

He is being a bit contrary isn't he?

I have a lot of respect for the man so wouldn't write off his position, but the weight of evidence is against him.

Everybodies evidence can be made to look convincing. Thats the problem.

jema
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Posted: Tue May 17, 05 3:31 pm Post subject:

Andy B wrote:

Jonnyboy wrote:

He is being a bit contrary isn't he?

I have a lot of respect for the man so wouldn't write off his position, but the weight of evidence is against him.

Everybodies evidence can be made to look convincing. Thats the problem.

well any stated fact looks convincing as you don't normally expect people to be lying

It is one of the ways the tobaco companies managed to muddy the waters on health risks for so long.

And sadly the same is happening with climate change

Andy B

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Posted: Tue May 17, 05 3:38 pm Post subject:

jema wrote:

Andy B wrote:

Jonnyboy wrote:

He is being a bit contrary isn't he?

I have a lot of respect for the man so wouldn't write off his position, but the weight of evidence is against him.

Everybodies evidence can be made to look convincing. Thats the problem.

well any stated fact looks convincing as you don't normally expect people to be lying

It is one of the ways the tobaco companies managed to muddy the waters on health risks for so long.

And sadly the same is happening with climate change

Yes but you dont know he's lying, maybe he doesn't think he's lying. Did you beleive everything he has said up to this point, or are you changing your'e opinion on the things he said before, or is it that most people dont agree, me included, with what he is now saying, but that doesn't mean that he is lying.

jema
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Posted: Tue May 17, 05 3:57 pm Post subject:

Andy B wrote:

I think if they layman states as fact something without checking their sources, it is unfair to say they are lying.

If someone sets themself up as a scientist and fires off bombshells of information as fact, backing up up with implied "reputable" sources that are in fact easily determined to be bollux, then I am happy to use the word "lying".

A scientist does not expect to see a paper published without peer review, they should be used to understanding about standards of evidence

Haddock

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Posted: Tue May 17, 05 11:20 pm Post subject:
The Monboit v Bellamy thing has been going on for a while now. There are several articles on his site with ref to things that Bellamy has said. Personally I think Bellamy may have lost the plot a while ago, or he is now a paid minion of the Big Corporations. In other articles Monboit further exposes his representation of false data. https://www.monbiot.com/

thos

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Posted: Wed May 18, 05 8:13 am Post subject:

Haddock wrote:

The Monboit v Bellamy thing has been going on for a while now. There are several articles on his site with ref to things that Bellamy has said. Personally I think Bellamy may have lost the plot a while ago, or he is now a paid minion of the Big Corporations. In other articles Monboit further exposes his representation of false data.

https://www.monbiot.com/

Back in the '70s my Professors regarded him as a media personality rather than a 'real' botanist. His few scientific publications were not awarded any respect.

Guest

Posted: Sat Jun 04, 05 8:24 am Post subject:

The Apocalyptic Global Warming scenario is irrelevant, divisive and a distraction from the real need to DOWNSIZE the thousands of wasteful habits of millions of people in the "affluent world".
Reducing the cause of most problems to just a few ICONS such as Global Warming allows bureaucrats, consumers and producers to indulge in simplistic solutions whilst continuing mostly business as usual. Accomplished cynics are able to sell even Nuclear Power as a "Solution" to an iconic Problem.

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