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Mrs Fiddlesticks

Joined: 02 Nov 2004
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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 08 8:02 pm Post subject:

Jamanda wrote:

Thanks. I'll get Sean to drill holes then.

What about fondant? How do you feed that? I've been told to mould it into a marg tub and put it over the feeding hole, and also seen it just plonked over the hole.

we were told to give that to the bees as a Christmas pressy and just cut an X in the pack, fold the plastic back and place over the gap in the glass quilt where the porter bee escape normally goes.

lottie

Joined: 11 Aug 2005
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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 08 8:12 pm Post subject:
Don't give them fondant yet-- with the present good weather they might still process syrup--mine are on the ivy anyway,---after xmas if they're short then fondant as mrs F says-- check new years day or as close to depending on weather,---just press drawing pins in for mouse guards---no need to drill holes---but if you measure your hive blocks it looks to me that you don't need mouse guards anyway

jamanda
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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 08 8:22 pm Post subject:
Really? I was planning to do it from the beginning of October, though they are coming in with pollen, and taking the syrup out of the frame feeder. They don't seem to like the miller feeder very much. They have lots of stores and capped brood. The drones are paying the price for their life of Riley at the moment. Saw a couple on the grass gasping their last today.

lottie

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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 08 8:51 pm Post subject:

You don't need to feed fondant automatically after christmas, only if they are short of stores, if they have plenty of stores and we have a good winter they will probably be O.K.---I am a bit cynical about the "experts" hive hefting stuff though---this year we checked very quickly on the first clement day after christmas and decided to give fondant and they all survived the winter. The hive hefters decided they were o.k. and lost colonies, but at the end of the day it's a judgement call. Nowadays you have to open the hive up anyway for the oxalic acid so can have aquick peek then.

jamanda
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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 08 9:21 pm Post subject:
Does this all apply the same to a little colony? I only got my Nuc half way through August (five full frames of bees). Due to the rubbish weather they didn't get much foraging done for the first few weeks, so I've been trying to fatten them up so to speak. They've drawn out and almost filled one new frame in that time and I put a new frame on today.

lottie

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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 08 9:43 pm Post subject:
If all your eggs are in one basket like that I'd be shoving all the 2lbs sugar/1pint water syrup down them they'd take now and plonk a slashed open bag of fondant over the hole you've taken the porter bee escape off after christmas---they are just too expensive to buy to grudge a bit of extra sugar. It's easier for them to take the stores than the fondant---so better to stuff in what you can now.

jamanda
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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 08 9:48 pm Post subject:

lottie wrote:

If all your eggs are in one basket like that I'd be shoving all the 2lbs sugar/1pint water syrup down them they'd take now and plonk a slashed open bag of fondant over the hole you've taken the porter bee escape off after christmas---they are just too expensive to buy to grudge a bit of extra sugar.

I'm doing the first thing. I was told not to put liquid sugar on them after the end of Sept, but to move to the fondant. You would keep the syrup on and move to the fondant later?

I haven't got a porter bee escape

Pootles off to look them up....

jamanda
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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 08 9:55 pm Post subject:
OK. I'm being dim. Why should I have a Porter bee escape on now? I'm not trying to get any honey off - I haven't even got a super on (except as a lift to make room for the top feeder).

lottie

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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 08 10:13 pm Post subject:

You shouldn't---sorry I was on auto pilot remembing to take them off after taking the honey before putting other stuff in. Mine are still processing some syrup---dates are a bit flexible. I was suprised you had been told to put fondant on now rather than after christmas but there are no rigid rules with beekeeping and anything that keeps them alive in the winter is fine---if it works let me know and I'll give mine fondant earlier next year

jamanda
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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 08 10:19 pm Post subject:
That's all right then. I was getting worried then. I'll let you know how I get on - and will no doubt be back with more daft questions sooner rather than later.

Mrs Fiddlesticks

Joined: 02 Nov 2004
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 08 6:41 am Post subject:

Jamanda wrote:

OK. I'm being dim. Why should I have a Porter bee escape on now? I'm not trying to get any honey off - I haven't even got a super on (except as a lift to make room for the top feeder).

we've got a glass quilt rather than a cover board betwixt top of super and roof and the gap in it is porter bee escape sized.

Tavascarow

Joined: 06 Aug 2006
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 08 7:23 am Post subject:

With regards to mouseguards your normal entrance block should keep them out as long as its not loose & can be pulled out easily.
Feeding now 2/1 syrup should be fine but you will be suprised how much nectar & pollen they will bring in from the ivy.
A nucleus on 5 frames will only need 1/2 as much stores as a full colony so I wouldn't get to worried.
Also if you pack a colony with sugar there is more risk of it getting into next years honey crop.
If there is a surplus left in the brood box in the spring when the queen needs more laying room the workers will move it up to the supers adulterating your first honey crop.

lottie

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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 08 9:42 am Post subject:

TAVASCAROW wrote:

If there is a surplus left in the brood box in the spring when the queen needs more laying room the workers will move it up to the supers adulterating your first honey crop.

This was a mistake we made the first year

Last year was the first time I'd had to give a hive fondant---it's not ideal as the bees need to get fluid to process it and they have to produce extra saliva etc, which isn't ideal in a colony that might already be stressed through stores shortage---I was worried about stores this year and piling what they'd take in---but the sudden nice weather and the very abundant ivy this year is turning things round.

joanne

Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: Morecambe, Lancashire

Posted: Mon Sep 29, 08 10:53 am Post subject:
Mandy - I wouldn't be worrying too much - I haven't even taken off my supers yet and I didn't last year until the end of September - The old rules don't seem to apply at the moment - I'd keep feeding them the sugar until the weather goes significantly colder - I think they can't process sugar solution if the daytime temp is below 8C - we are nowhere near that yet

lottie

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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 08 1:22 pm Post subject:

jocorless wrote:

Mandy - I wouldn't be worrying too much - I haven't even taken off my supers yet and I didn't last year until the end of September - The old rules don't seem to apply at the moment - I'd keep feeding them the sugar until the weather goes significantly colder - I think they can't process sugar solution if the daytime temp is below 8C - we are nowhere near that yet

Do you leave supers on while you're using Apiguard then?

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