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vegplot

Joined: 19 Apr 2007
Posts: 21301
Location: Bethesda, Gwynedd

Posted: Tue Feb 10, 09 5:11 pm Post subject:
How are you going to get around WVG's distaste for guns? EV was dead against them but now she shoots in competitions (and is very good as well).

welsh veg grower

Joined: 23 Jan 2009
Posts: 2030
Location: here today but tomorrow...

Posted: Tue Feb 10, 09 7:47 pm Post subject:
just found out you guys are discussing guns on my land Not keen around the house etc but Mr fox has to go poor Hilda has now gone and just feathers left Something needs to be done. I just dont like having guns around the house

Moniar

Joined: 26 Jan 2009
Posts: 152
Location: Lampeter, west Wales

Posted: Tue Feb 10, 09 7:56 pm Post subject:

welsh veg grower wrote:

just found out you guys are discussing guns on my land

Not keen around the house etc but Mr fox has to go poor Hilda has now gone and just feathers left

Something needs to be done. I just dont like having guns around the house

Oops we've been discovered !

Time for a sharp exit - the next local shooter taking on the challenge of Mr Fox is due to arrive here in next 30 mins - just need some cloud cover now.

Brownbear

Joined: 28 May 2007
Posts: 14929
Location: South West

Posted: Wed Feb 11, 09 6:00 am Post subject:

welsh veg grower wrote:

Something needs to be done. I just dont like having guns around the house

Agricultural pests live on agricultural land; farming said land brings a responsibility to control them. Controlling agricultural pests requires firearms. Liking or disliking them doesn't come in to it.

Moniar

Joined: 26 Jan 2009
Posts: 152
Location: Lampeter, west Wales

Posted: Wed Feb 11, 09 8:09 pm Post subject:

I think the fact that the fox came back sometime during today and took Jeremy, our large Moran cockeral (and central to the spring breeding programme with his three ladies) in daylight may have some bearing on the debate now

6 foxes spotted last night - one killed close in with shotgun, second one at 200yds with .222

I am hoping the guys will be coming back tonight to take out the rest of them - taking Jeremy has now led to a declaration of open warfare

vegplot

Joined: 19 Apr 2007
Posts: 21301
Location: Bethesda, Gwynedd

Posted: Wed Feb 11, 09 8:29 pm Post subject:
I've just come back from the club practicing with my .357 Long Barreled Revolver, and getting very good groups. Somehow I don't think it would be legal to use it for foxes though.

welsh veg grower

Joined: 23 Jan 2009
Posts: 2030
Location: here today but tomorrow...

Posted: Wed Feb 11, 09 8:49 pm Post subject:
ok ok, I agree they need to be used in the country. I have no issue with killing pests (espeically having eaten my best young man). I have issue with them being around and about with children.

vegplot

Joined: 19 Apr 2007
Posts: 21301
Location: Bethesda, Gwynedd

Posted: Wed Feb 11, 09 9:03 pm Post subject:
Children and guns don't mix, not unless they are of an age to learn to shoot under strict supervision. Guns have to be securely locked away when not in use and the only person who knows where the key's location is the owner of the guns. They are not permitted to tell anyone. EV doesn't know where I keep my keys.

Moniar

Joined: 26 Jan 2009
Posts: 152
Location: Lampeter, west Wales

Posted: Wed Feb 11, 09 10:52 pm Post subject:
Not a single fox seen tonight - must be full after eating Jeremy. Fox live trap now in situ next to where the fox got into the coup today and set for the rest of the night. Heres hoping.

Brownbear

Joined: 28 May 2007
Posts: 14929
Location: South West

Posted: Thu Feb 12, 09 6:29 am Post subject:
Children can develop a morbid fascination with fireams; the best cure for this is to teach then to use them safely and responsibly when they are old enough to handle a fiream safely. Otherwise, they should regard them as a potentally dangerous bit of farm machinery.

Old-Chads-Orchard

Joined: 07 Dec 2005
Posts: 394
Location: Malpas, Cheshire

Posted: Sat Feb 14, 09 9:36 am Post subject:

vegplot wrote:

Edit: solid slug is devastating and you need to ensure you have a proper backstop behind the target as the slug will go straight through the fox and keep going. So the risk is so much greater than when using shot which dissipates it's energy quite quickly.

They are very heavy hitters and for your size of land I wouldn't advise using them. The energy at 100 yards is given as 1,200 ft. lbs with a muzzle velocity of 1,500 fps, somewhat more powerful than an air rfile.

You need a FAC to fire solid slug from a shotty (according to my local FAO)

vegplot

Joined: 19 Apr 2007
Posts: 21301
Location: Bethesda, Gwynedd

Posted: Sat Feb 14, 09 10:01 am Post subject:
Yes, very true. I believe FAO's aren't keen on them for pest control and would probably prefer you use a rifle. Practical Shotgun is perhaps the only justifiable reason for solid slug in the UK.

Brownbear

Joined: 28 May 2007
Posts: 14929
Location: South West

Posted: Sat Feb 14, 09 6:04 pm Post subject:

vegplot wrote:

Yes, very true. I believe FAO's aren't keen on them for pest control and would probably prefer you use a rifle. Practical Shotgun is perhaps the only justifiable reason for solid slug in the UK.

I have solid slug on my FAC for humane destruction of farm stock.

vegplot

Joined: 19 Apr 2007
Posts: 21301
Location: Bethesda, Gwynedd

Posted: Sat Feb 14, 09 7:27 pm Post subject:

Brownbear wrote:

vegplot wrote:

Yes, very true. I believe FAO's aren't keen on them for pest control and would probably prefer you use a rifle. Practical Shotgun is perhaps the only justifiable reason for solid slug in the UK.

I have solid slug on my FAC for humane destruction of farm stock.

You learn something new every day.

Brownbear

Joined: 28 May 2007
Posts: 14929
Location: South West

Posted: Sat Feb 14, 09 8:51 pm Post subject:

Essentially, injured horses or deranged cattle, in circs. where it would be too dangerous to use the .308, and not personally safe to get close enough to kill them with a shotgun blast to the head. I had to write to the Firearms dept to make the case, and can only buy 50 and hold 75.

They're very careful who they let have them, mainly because if you use them carelessly in the field they can ricochet like a .22, only weighing an ounce and a half rather than 40 grains, and doing 1550 fps.

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