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tahir

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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 04 10:28 am Post subject: Re: Glossary Woes

jema wrote:

The alternative of making the term a non unique key in the database, would have loads of ill effects I expect.

Why? Surely there must be a record number, or other unique record identification field? The other components allow title duplication, anyway I've sent Sascha an email.

cab

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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 04 10:54 am Post subject:
I'll re-submit later with Lime (tree). I'll have the latin in the entry, as I do for most of the others. I'm putting a couple of things in the wild food glossary most days now.

jema
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 04 11:01 am Post subject: Re: Glossary Woes

tahir wrote:

jema wrote:

The alternative of making the term a non unique key in the database, would have loads of ill effects I expect.

Why? Surely there must be a record number, or other unique record identification field? The other components allow title duplication, anyway I've sent Sascha an email.

It should not have ill effects if it is coded throughout to use the record number, but are you going to make bets on this?

jema

tahir

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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 04 11:02 am Post subject:

Cab wrote:

I'll re-submit later with Lime (tree). I'll have the latin in the entry, as I do for most of the others.

I'm putting a couple of things in the wild food glossary most days now.

Muchly appreciated. Re the latin, should we have a unified approach? I'm doing it like this:

Common name (Genus species, Family)

cab

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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 04 11:05 am Post subject:

We could have a unified approach, but I'm not convinced there's a need. I've been putting a common name in the title, followed by the scientific name Genus species, and then putting an also known as to cover other commonnames (which are also added to the glossary, with 'see other common name'). I'd have thought that as long as we make sure of entering the scientific name somewhere on or near the first line we're fine.

Regarding putting family or suchlike in, that's often a lot less useful for a forager than you might imagine. Depends very much on the plant. It's not very useful to know that a blackberry is rosaceae, but it helps to know that the fruit is composed of individual small berries. It doesn't help in describing a plum to say that it's also rosaceae, but it -is- useful to refer to, say, an alexander as an umbellifer.

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tahir

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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 04 11:07 am Post subject:
OK, it was just a thought

cab

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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 04 11:08 am Post subject:

tahir wrote:

OK, it was just a thought

I think it's worth making sure that we keep scientific names in there; that's clearly woth ensuring. So much easier then to look up more information.

tahir

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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 04 11:10 am Post subject:
Yup that's what I thought, I like listing the family because it gives you an idea of what other plants are related which I always find interesting.

jema
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 04 11:10 am Post subject:

Cab wrote:

tahir wrote:

OK, it was just a thought

I think it's worth making sure that we keep scientific names in there; that's clearly woth ensuring. So much easier then to look up more information.

And will do wonders for search results

jema

anneka

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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 04 11:33 am Post subject:
Did I not just suggest that?

tahir

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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 04 11:48 am Post subject:
I thought you suggested having the scientific name as the term

anneka

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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 04 12:24 pm Post subject: Carl linnaus again - swede who came up with scientific names
No sientific name followed by common name (in brackets) sorry that was not very clear ! eg. Tillia cordata (Small leaved Lime) Castanea sativa (Sweet Chestnut) Cucumis sativus (Cucumber) Solanum tuberosum (Potato) Lycopersicon lycopersicum (Tomato) varieties could be listed under a seperate heading? Sorry I don't know it just made sense to me to use the nomalencture in existence. Anneka

anneka

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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 04 1:02 pm Post subject: yes I am a bit of a thicky!
Ok, I see what you mean I don't know if you can do this but maybe another catergory. Vegetable Tree Shrub Fungus fruit Anneka

tahir

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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 04 1:08 pm Post subject:
Aha, I understand, I didn't really want to split it down into too many categories, let's wait and see what the guy who developed the glossary says, I've asked him if he can change it so that duplicates are allowed. Thanks for the input though.

tahir

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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 04 4:51 pm Post subject:

I just got the following reply from Sascha:

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i think this will be not so easy to change, because the function, that saves
the entry uses the savefunctions from the mambo db class. You have to change
the whole function to use own db-commands to save the entry to the database.
I can change this first, when I work on Glossary 2.0 but at this moment, i'm
very busy with my homepage.

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