So, to get those incentives, I've got to buy more crap, use less things over and over, and throw more of it into the recycling bin? 'Reduce' and 'Re-use' are so yesterday, now its all going to be about Recycling
What a load of ****. Give people an incentive to STILL miss the point. An improvement on how things are now? Maybe, marginally. But woefully lacking in imagination.
I have a vague suspicion that cab is not representative of the majority of people who these measures are aimed at
Probably not
However, the majority need to act more like we do in our house, at least in terms of waste management. And this ain't going to push them in that direction.
What's the solution thought? I thought most people, including DS users, were against pay per throw?
Tax waste production would be a start, that might remove a lot of the excess packaging which probably accounts for a lot of the waste being thrown away.
Treacodactyl Downsizer Moderator
Joined: 28 Oct 2004 Posts: 25795 Location: Jumping on the bandwagon of opportunism
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 10 2:26 pm Post subject:
JB wrote:
Treacodactyl wrote:
What's the solution thought? I thought most people, including DS users, were against pay per throw?
Tax waste production would be a start, that might remove a lot of the excess packaging which probably accounts for a lot of the waste being thrown away.
I don't think packaging is the biggest problem, it seems that after garden waste kitchen waste is the next highest percentage of stuff thrown out. Perhaps some method of collecting that would be the best first step? I think our council collects garden waste, although it IS a pay per throw scheme, but I don't think there are any plans to collect kitchen waste or encourage people to reduce it.
Even collection of garden waste should be charged. We've started using green waste instead of mushroom compost for mulching, the amount of non degradable waste (plastic & metal) included in it is unbelievable.
I don't think packaging is the biggest problem, it seems that after garden waste kitchen waste is the next highest percentage of stuff thrown out.
So I suppose one side effect might be that it draws people's attention to how much they waste. If it's an amorphous mess in a single bin it's a lot harder for someone to see how much food they discard than if they have a separate bin for kitchen waste (of course that might not happen, I'm just trying to be optimistic for a change)
i am not sure on the best way around the waste problems whilst we have a 3 bin system here if it was to ever go to pay per throw i could imagine the fly tippers it got bad around here when skip prices went up so lord knows what the rural area would look like if it ever came to pay to throw.
as it is bin lids have to be closed else they are not emptied a while ago my daughter caught one of her neighbours filling her bin becasue theirs was already full nedless to say a few words were said and the rubish handed back to the rightful owner.
Bebo
Joined: 21 May 2007 Posts: 12590 Location: East Sussex
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 10 2:58 pm Post subject:
My two point plan for immediate reductions in land-fill:
1) Penalise supermarkets and producers for excess packaging and not using biodegradeable or recycleable materials. WTF is the point of shrink wrapping a swede?
2) Re-introduce the feeding of swill to pigs, but make sure its treatment prior to feeding is properly regulated.
It isn't 'pay per throw' or 'incentives for recycling' or nothing at all. I wouldn't say that either is the right answer.
If you want, say, less glass, plastic or metal going to landfill then put a tariff on those items, a deposit that you get back when you take them back. If you want to encourage more containers to be re-useable rather than recyclable then develop a simple range of containers that CAN be re-used by numerous manufacturers and impose a tax on products that aren't in those (who the hell needs a gazillion styles of wine bottle anyway?). If you want less food waste to go to landfill then collect it and compost it; you don't reduce that (or garden waste) in any way by incentivising 'recycling'.
As ever, what we're seeing from Government here is a completely lilly-livered bottling on the issue. No heart, no stomach, no imagination!
1) Penalise supermarkets and producers for excess packaging and not using biodegradeable or recycleable materials. WTF is the point of shrink wrapping a swede?
Makes 'em sweat more, increasing rate of spoilage, so you throw it out and buy another one
For me the lesson there is to shop somewhere else.
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