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vickersdc

Joined: 07 May 2006
Posts: 247
Location: Surrey / Hampshire Border.

Posted: Sun Apr 18, 10 7:37 pm Post subject:
We've just been down to the River Wey at Guildford for a paddle, and got chatting to a guy who had six traps out for crayfish. So enamoured were we with the thought of free food that I've completed the relevant EA form to get a licence. But what I actually wanted to know was... how do you go about killing them? He mentioned something about driving a knife between their eyes..?

pricey

Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Posts: 6444

Posted: Sun Apr 18, 10 8:04 pm Post subject:

vickersdc wrote:

how do you go about killing them? He mentioned something about driving a knife between their eyes..?

Just pop them in boiling water for 5 mins, no need to kill them first. If you really feel the need to, drive a knife in half way between the eyes and the tail, but in my opinion it takes longer for them to die that way.

sean
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Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 42219
Location: North Devon

Posted: Sun Apr 18, 10 8:07 pm Post subject:
Or stick them in the freezer for half an hour before you do the boiling water thing.

pricey

Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Posts: 6444

Posted: Sun Apr 18, 10 10:24 pm Post subject:

sean wrote:

Or stick them in the freezer for half an hour before you do the boiling water thing.

Slower than the knife, just pop them in the water.

Drewsephine

Joined: 15 Sep 2008
Posts: 1146
Location: noun 1 a particular place or position: the property is set in a convenient location an actual place

Posted: Sun Apr 18, 10 11:00 pm Post subject: Re: Take a piece of string, a bit of bacon rind and a rock..

Fee wrote:

Turns out we should have had a permit, but we spoke to a nice chap at the Environment Agency, and he was more than happy that we were catching them, but said for next time, probably best to sort out a permit.

Are you sure ?
I've been looking on the website and it only says anything about a licence when trapping.
Seeing as how you weren't using a trap I don't see why you need one.
Also he couldn't have done anything as

Environment Agency wrote:

Under the Wildife and Countryside Act 1981 (as amended), it is an offence
to release, or allow to escape, any non-native species into the wild in the UK
except under licence.

Seeing as how you'd already caught them he'd be comitting an offence in telling you to let them go

Drewsephine

Joined: 15 Sep 2008
Posts: 1146
Location: noun 1 a particular place or position: the property is set in a convenient location an actual place

Posted: Sun Apr 18, 10 11:03 pm Post subject:

Having said that apparently its illegal for you to keep them as well

Environment Agency wrote:

The Prohibition of Keeping of Live Fish (Crayfish) Order 1996 (as amended),
made under the Import of Live Fish (England and Wales) Act 1980, makes it
an offence to keep any crayfish in England and Wales, except under licence
(with specific exemption areas for signal crayfish).

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 46249
Location: yes

Posted: Sun Apr 18, 10 11:11 pm Post subject:
bbq is not kept

TimNeo

Joined: 06 Jul 2006
Posts: 636
Location: Ashingdon, UK

Posted: Thu May 20, 10 12:19 pm Post subject:

I tried to fill in a form for a license, but it seemed like a lot of leg work - I work next to a river infested by them, but apparently you need to have landowners permission to trap them. But no idea how to find out whom the landowner is, except perhaps the council. Now how are they going to respond when I email them? I suspect I'll just get a flat no because it's not something they're used to dealing with.

If I did it from a kayak I'm not on a bank?

Behemoth

Joined: 01 Dec 2004
Posts: 19023
Location: Leeds

Posted: Thu May 20, 10 12:22 pm Post subject:
Go on, be a rebel!

Pilsbury

Joined: 13 Dec 2004
Posts: 5645
Location: East london/Essex

Posted: Thu May 20, 10 5:00 pm Post subject:

fallscrape wrote:

I applied for the licence pack and then ran into the land owner/ exact location problem but if i was in your position I would be tempted to chuck the trap in the river on the way into work and then pull it out when I left, put your phone number on a tag on the string and if you get a call from the baliff meet him with the paperwork and ask him to help you fill it in, I doubt they will procecute on the first offence, just tell you that you need a licence

Boris

Joined: 28 Jan 2010
Posts: 69

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 10 10:17 pm Post subject:
Ive just applied for a licence, its not that hard. I emailed the local fishing group and they advised me. I was always taught to put the crayfish in a freezer for a while as they are cold blooded and it makes them sleepy before you boil them. I have met some people who put them straight on the BBQ which is horrific

jamanda
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Joined: 22 Oct 2006
Posts: 35057
Location: Devon

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 10 10:19 pm Post subject:
Just make sure you are getting the right ones. Link Sorry about the source eta better link Last edited by jamanda on Tue Jun 15, 10 10:22 pm; edited 1 time in total

Boris

Joined: 28 Jan 2010
Posts: 69

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 10 10:21 pm Post subject:
Which is why its important to check things out first!

Hairyloon

Joined: 20 Nov 2008
Posts: 15425
Location: Today I are mostly being in Yorkshire.

Posted: Wed Jun 16, 10 9:15 am Post subject:
I know you need a licence to trap them, but I have seen some debate about catching them without a trap (i.e. the bacon on a string trick). Not researched it enough to want to test it in court yet mind. Anyone know good locations around any of my usual haunts?

Boris

Joined: 28 Jan 2010
Posts: 69

Posted: Wed Jun 16, 10 2:21 pm Post subject:
You could email the environmental agency and ask, I think they are also very fussy about the site but apart from that its not a problem

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