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Green Man

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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 11 3:10 pm Post subject: Should animals be stunned before slaughter?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14779271

Rob R

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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 11 3:17 pm Post subject:
I'd wager that the supermarkets prefer stunned meat because the plant throughput is quicker than non-stun. Having seen animals killed both ways (although not cattle - I'd be interested to seen non-stun cattle slaughter) I think non-stun is quicker for the animal, but it obviously takes more time for the humans.

ninat

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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 11 3:18 pm Post subject:
Cattle have a different blood supply to the brain which means that just slitting their throat makes for a much longer death compared with other species....

Rob R

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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 11 3:20 pm Post subject:

ninat wrote:

Cattle have a different blood supply to the brain

I was unaware of that, how is it different?

Rob R

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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 11 3:25 pm Post subject:
I've found it, vertebral arteries.

crofter

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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 11 3:42 pm Post subject:

Rob R wrote:

(although not cattle - I'd be interested to seen non-stun cattle slaughter)

There are videos on youtube, but it is horrific to watch.

Green Man

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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 11 3:47 pm Post subject:
Supermarkets are seemingly all demanding non stunned animals as it means they can sell the meats to the religious groups. Most of us are eating non stunned meats.

Rob R

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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 11 4:01 pm Post subject:

crofter wrote:

Rob R wrote:

(although not cattle - I'd be interested to seen non-stun cattle slaughter)

There are videos on youtube, but it is horrific to watch.

These videos tend to be, I'd rather see for myself, without the bias.

sean
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 11 4:02 pm Post subject:
If you ever eat game or rabbit or slaughter your own poultry (sorry don't know the regs on commercial poultry) then this is a bit of a non-starter isn't it? Racism thinly disguised as concern for animal welfare IMHO.

Rob R

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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 11 4:05 pm Post subject:

sean wrote:

If you ever eat game or rabbit or slaughter your own poultry (sorry don't know the regs on commercial poultry) then this is a bit of a non-starter isn't it? Racism thinly disguised as concern for animal welfare IMHO.

Yep.

Mithril

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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 11 4:09 pm Post subject:
Apparently, all the hospital (meat) meals for a local'ish hospital to me (Dorchester) are made with halal meat. RE. game - they aren't bled to death.

Bodger

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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 11 4:30 pm Post subject:
I saw this BBC report at 6.00 am this morning and deliberately stayed away from it.

Green Man

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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 11 4:32 pm Post subject:
There should be a scientific tests to see which is the least stressful and a law to do it that way for all. Aghhhh, but that would be animal testing

dpack

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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 11 4:52 pm Post subject:
i recon stun is better if done well instant loss of awareness is surely kinder than the fastest exsanguination can be and it is far safer for the workers

NorthernMonkeyGirl

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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 11 6:14 pm Post subject:

During a recent bout of insomnia, I saw a few repeats of "Kill it, Cook it, Eat it" where the live animal was brought in, slaughtered in a glass-sided abattoir (cue studio audience reactions) then butchered and spit roasted (I'd prefer hung meat but....)

Anyhow, it got to sheep and some very young lambs came in (the equivalent of veal). The stunning clamps didn't work or were too big, so they went to the captive bolt pistol.
Now in this case, the pistol causes death, yes? Then the throat is cut. So yes if you can do that then I don't think stunning is needed.

HOWEVER - who is going to do that to anything bigger?

I've seen Longhorn yearling take 4 or 5 goes with the captive bolt to get through the rock-hard skull.

Sod religious rights. It's not racist to overrule old ways of doing things.

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