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Green Man

Joined: 23 Jul 2006
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 11 5:39 pm Post subject:
Nick either you have thought about this too or you are just a consumer from hell.

Nick

Joined: 02 Nov 2004
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Location: Hereford

Posted: Wed Nov 09, 11 5:40 pm Post subject:
Just here to fight against unscrupulous sellers.

Green Man

Joined: 23 Jul 2006
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Location: Rural Scotland.

Posted: Wed Nov 09, 11 5:44 pm Post subject:
Ah..............

oldish chris

Joined: 14 Jun 2006
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Location: Comfortably Wet Southport

Posted: Wed Nov 09, 11 6:26 pm Post subject:

Nick wrote:

Just here to fight against unscrupulous sellers.

said the consumer from hell.

Nick

Joined: 02 Nov 2004
Posts: 34535
Location: Hereford

Posted: Wed Nov 09, 11 6:33 pm Post subject:
Nope, the seller with integrity. A good way to beat your competition is to be better and more trustworthy than them. I also have to write and answer contracts, so know my way round them a bit.

Green Man

Joined: 23 Jul 2006
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Location: Rural Scotland.

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 11 8:38 am Post subject:
I sell good quality goods as I hate the hastle and disapointment of returns, however all the trouble is covered by the margin. I had just thought at this depressed time, if the consumer agreed, the saving could be passed on. I know if I were looking at a good brand say Musto and gave it a good check with my hands and eyes before buying I'd take a �20 discount. But it isnt to be.

bagpuss

Joined: 09 Dec 2004
Posts: 10507
Location: cambridge

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 11 9:53 am Post subject:

Green Man wrote:

I sell good quality goods as I hate the hastle and disapointment of returns, however all the trouble is covered by the margin. I had just thought at this depressed time, if the consumer agreed, the saving could be passed on. I know if I were looking at a good brand say Musto and gave it a good check with my hands and eyes before buying I'd take a �20 discount. But it isnt to be.

But there are faults that you simply can't spot with your eye that would still shorted the length of the purchased objects lifespan to less than is reasonable which is why these rights are statutory and not negotiable

Even if you buy a piece of clothing cheap knowing it has one flaw you still have your statutory rights if something else goes wrong with it

Hairyloon

Joined: 20 Nov 2008
Posts: 15464
Location: Today I are mostly being in Yorkshire.

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 11 10:01 am Post subject:

bagpuss wrote:

The joys of the word "reasonable". Is it not reasonable to expect a cheaper item not to last as long?
Is why they get away with making a �5 toaster that only lasts 6 months.
I reckon the idea is onto a loser since so many people are not aware of their statutory rights. All your scheme would do is highlight the fact that they have them.
And if your goods are of appropriate quality, then the amount that are subjected to statutory rights should be negligible.

bagpuss

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Location: cambridge

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 11 10:04 am Post subject:

Hairyloon wrote:

bagpuss wrote:

Not if it has been sold as like the more expensive item but for say a missing button or a small bit of damage somewhere like happens with clothes or ex display for electronics

Green Man

Joined: 23 Jul 2006
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Location: Rural Scotland.

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 11 10:31 am Post subject:
It isn't going to happen, but the consumer could opt in or out as they pleased. nobody would be loosing their rights. It would have been a gamble, a bit of a thrill. Some peole love saving money, this could have been a way. But hey-ho the days of a seller and buyer being able to barter their own deals are long gone. But the booming black market, that is another story.

bagpuss

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Location: cambridge

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 11 10:35 am Post subject:

Green Man wrote:

It isn't going to happen, but the consumer could opt in or out as they pleased. nobody would be loosing their rights. It would have been a gamble, a bit of a thrill. Some peole love saving money, this could have been a way. But hey-ho the days of a seller and buyer being able to barter their own deals are long gone. But the booming black market, that is another story.

You can still barter when making purchased or sales but you can't remove someone's statutory rights as a condition of being able to barter

Green Man

Joined: 23 Jul 2006
Posts: 5272
Location: Rural Scotland.

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 11 10:40 am Post subject:
A seller should be able to offer tailored terms if both parties agree. You can opt for an extended warranty, why not a shortned warranty? Last edited by Green Man on Thu Nov 10, 11 10:45 am; edited 1 time in total

Hairyloon

Joined: 20 Nov 2008
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Location: Today I are mostly being in Yorkshire.

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 11 10:40 am Post subject:

bagpuss wrote:

You can still barter when making purchased or sales but you can't remove someone's statutory rights as a condition of being able to barter

You can reasonably negotiate them downwards.

Kenworth

Joined: 04 Apr 2011
Posts: 855
Location: Michigan

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 11 10:56 am Post subject:

Most used goods over here are sold without any warantees. Sold as is, where is. The exception may be with an appliance or auto that someone has worked on to fix something that has wore out. Sometimes a store or seller will offer a short warantee.

Most stores that sell used items have a posted "no returns" policy. Of course, this is a store by store policy.

New items usually fall under written warantees that come with packaging. Many stores selling new goods offer a 30 day money back "guarantee" if an item malfunctions. They simply excange the item.

There are different rules, state by state, when it comes to pets. I'm not too clear on most of them.

What doesn't make sense to me, (fills the government coffers though) is that a sales tax is always collected. This sales tax is collected when an item is new and when it is resold.

Sometimes you will see an ad that states that "we'll pay the sales tax for you" in an ad. I am assuming that the seller does pay the sales tax, only raises the prices to cover what the lost revenue may be. This is usually a sepcial however, not an ongoing sale.

aura

Joined: 11 Nov 2011
Posts: 4

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 11 8:59 am Post subject:
I agree with Kenworth. This is also the position which I have. If you buy something used and second hand, you have no guarantee at all. Maybe some second hand shops have warantees, but definitely not a normal private seller. In many stores you get a good guarantee, at least you get a coupon back. If you complain a lot there might be a chance to get the money back as well.

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