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Nell Merionwen

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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 12 4:39 pm Post subject:

Hairyloon wrote:

NorthernMonkeyGirl wrote:

My sensible head says that "tribesmen" (for want of a better word) are out hunting and gathering from a very early age - why are Westernised children such delicate little flowers?
However, it is so dependent on the culture the child has grown up in...

Exactly.
In some cultures they'd have an AK47 and a grenade launcher by the time they're that age.

and how is that a good thing?

NorthernMonkeyGirl

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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 12 5:14 pm Post subject:

Nell Merionwen wrote:

Hairyloon wrote:

NorthernMonkeyGirl wrote:

Exactly.
In some cultures they'd have an AK47 and a grenade launcher by the time they're that age.

and how is that a good thing?

It's not, at all, but it illustrates how amazing a young human can be.

I've written that 3 times now and that's the least-wrong sounding version!

Hairyloon

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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 12 5:37 pm Post subject:

Nell Merionwen wrote:

Hairyloon wrote:

NorthernMonkeyGirl wrote:

Exactly.
In some cultures they'd have an AK47 and a grenade launcher by the time they're that age.

and how is that a good thing?

Oh, so your culture is better than theirs is it?

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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 12 5:52 pm Post subject:

Hairyloon wrote:

Nell Merionwen wrote:

Hairyloon wrote:

NorthernMonkeyGirl wrote:

Exactly.
In some cultures they'd have an AK47 and a grenade launcher by the time they're that age.

and how is that a good thing?

Oh, so your culture is better than theirs is it?

Well, a rabbit isn't going to be that fit for the table if you use a grenade launcher or even an AK47.

Nell Merionwen

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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 12 6:05 pm Post subject:

Hairyloon wrote:

Nell Merionwen wrote:

Hairyloon wrote:

NorthernMonkeyGirl wrote:

Exactly.
In some cultures they'd have an AK47 and a grenade launcher by the time they're that age.

and how is that a good thing?

Oh, so your culture is better than theirs is it?

It's actually got little to do with culture. Involving Children in open warfare is never right, neither is condoning it under the guise of "culture"

Nick

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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 12 6:50 pm Post subject:
Is it ok foe them to have a gun if they're the oldest male in the family, defending their family? At 16 they could have kids, of course.

Nell Merionwen

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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 12 8:44 pm Post subject:
16 is a long way from 12 in the world of maturity.

jamanda
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 12 8:51 pm Post subject:

Hmm. I don't think the two are comparable. Anyone 16 or 60 needing a gun to defend their family isn't a good situation. And not what the OP asked about.

I'm in two minds about the hunting for youngsters. In a suitable place, with the right youngster and with effective training I could see it being OK. Unfortunately I could envisage many problems if it haapened in the wrong place with inadequate training.

Nell Merionwen

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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 12 8:52 pm Post subject:

Jamanda wrote:

I'm in two minds about the hunting for youngsters. In a suitable place, with the right youngster and with effective training I could see it being OK. Unfortunately I could envisage many problems if it hapened in the wrong place with inadequate training.

The point I was trying to make. However, in a much more lucid way

Nick

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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 12 9:57 am Post subject:

Nell Merionwen wrote:

16 is a long way from 12 in the world of maturity.

Who more mature, the 12 year old, eldest male in a war torn country who's been working forever, or a 16 year old here?

Nell Merionwen

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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 12 9:59 am Post subject:
Australia is not a war torn country! The issue isn't about whether children should be allowed fire arms in extenuating circumstances. The issue is about entrusting a deadly weapon into the unsupervised hands of a child in a peaceful country.

Nick

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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 12 10:04 am Post subject:
It might become one if you give twelve year olds guns.

Nell Merionwen

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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 12 10:07 am Post subject:

Nick wrote:

It might become one if you give twelve year olds guns.

I can't work out what your own opinion is Nick?

I feel I am being made to look unreasonable to think putting guns into the hands of children without supervision is not an altogether good thing.
Is this the case?

Nick

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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 12 10:10 am Post subject:
I don't really have one. I know that's not very trendy on the Internet, but I don't much care.

Nell Merionwen

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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 12 10:13 am Post subject:

Nick wrote:

I don't really have one. I know that's not very trendy on the Internet, but I don't much care.

Well, that's honest

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